They learned from Rathergate that’s for sure.
What I would like to know is this:
Why bring up the COLB issue again here? Why this thread?
What I know is this: The COLB is ultimately unimportant. Why? Because it is what is BEHIND the colb that is the main issue. If people are talking about the COLB, they aren’t talking about what it is CONCEALING. What the COLB is concealing is what is important.
I know it is concealing two things for certain:
1) It is concealing his full birth records. Hawaii doesn’t even recognize its OWN COLB as sufficient identification to be used in verifying “Native Hawaiian Status”. You have to have a long form for that. Thousands of babies got Hawaiian documents who were born “at home” and don’t have ANY long form information, yet got Hawaiian papers and thereby got US Citizenship. Now that is either Fraud on a large scale - an attempt to apply for and get more welfare dollars for the state for poor kids from the federal Government on the part of the State of Hawaii, something they would want to keep under TIGHT wraps for obvious reasons. As I said, its either fraud on a huge scale, or it was an innocent loophole that the state just never discovered... Uh hua. right. I have no proof of that, but sometimes a brown cow is a brown cow, even when someone swears its a WHITE cow. Hawaii would NOT want to have to admit that there are literally thousands of “Hawaiian” COLB bearers who got US citizenship who were born overseas to parents who WERE NOT CITIZENS of the United States. The state likely would want to keep that as far out of the public sight as it could possibly be. Golly, you don’t think Obama used that fact against Hawaii as LEVERAGE do you? Nah, no hard-ball Chicago Politician coming out of the machine politics of Chicago would do that.... (rolls eyes)
2) People are discussing the COLB instead of the fact he was born a subject of the Nation of Great Britain. For this reason alone, barring everything else, he could never have been a Natural Born Citizen no matter WHERE he was born. Kenya, Great Britain, in the lap of Lincoln’s statue in Washington DC. Shoot he could have been born in Lincoln’s bed in the White House and it would not have mattered. He was Born British. If he happened to be born in Hawaii, which on the face of it is looking more than a little doubtful at this point, that would be his ONLY legitimate claim to US citizenship at all. Not Natural Born Citizen Status, because he can never be a Natural Born Citizen. BUT... if he was born in Hawaii, then he is at least a citizen. Stanley Ann could not have passed her citizenship onto him if he were born anywhere else, BY LAW, because of her age at the time.
Now we have Stanley Ann’s passport information, which conveniently is missing the Original Application. Why would an under 20 girl need a passport unless she were going to be traveling outside the United States? Was it on a 3 yr renewal? Was it on a 5 year Renewal? We know because of the fact the first document is a renewal that she had a passport in the time frame her son was born. Why would she need one? Certainly not to go to Hawaii. She would not have needed one to go to Canada either. You could cross the border in those days with out a passport. Easily.
Now, lets ask ourselves, who benefits on keeping the spotlight on the COLB and whether the FactCheck Document is a forgery?
Who benefits from keeping the information behind the COLB sealed and secret.
Who is Polarik connected to? Phil Berg. Who is Berg? A democrat supporter of Hillary Clinton. When did Polarik join FR? June 22, 2008. Golly, isn’t that the time frame that the COLB became front and center. Did he join specifically to push that issue?
This is his first post at FR:
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“To: RushingWater
Take a look at my blog post that started people questioning the validity of that image: Click here. If you read my original post, and then the last one I’ve posted today, you might just change your mind.
72 posted on 06/22/2008 5:51:14 PM PDT by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2034830/posts?page=72#72
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Polarik joined FR the same day he made that post, he joined to push this issue. He pimped his own posts on Townhall, which was the subject of his second post.
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“To: mamelukesabre
If you read the additional analyses I made today (polarik.townhall.com), the only conclusion that can be reached is that the images posted on the “Daily Kos” and “Fight the Smears” are altered images, and not, in any way, true reproductions of a genuine document.
Assuming, of course, that Patricia Decosta’s image is a true reproduction, which it is, given the compelling evidence that validates it, such as embossed seals, signatures, true fold marks, etc.
If you or anyone can find more plausible reasons for all of the differences found between Obama’s image and Decosta’s image, I’d like to hear them.
However, I sincerely doubt I will, for not only are the images on these websites manufactured, they even differ from each other (check the corners of the borders).
The fact that there are so many others who have also found these differences tend to reinforce the conclusion.
Which is, to repeat, that these images are manufactured.
All we need now is to hear an admission of same.
82 posted on Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:40:10 PM by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2034830/posts?page=82#82
I believe this link will lead to the very first posts made by Polarik: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:polarik/index?more=55490905
Here is a link to the TownHall posts he was blog pimping:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx
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Polarik has from day 1 been pushing the issue of the COLB. How its a fraud. Ok, he may well be 100% correct that it is a fraud. Honestly, the fraud started long before Obama ran for POTUS, the Il. Senate, or even went to college. It started at the time he was born. The COLB beiung fake keeps a fake COLB in the spotlight, which in the year plus its been known, has done nothing to prevent an usurper from taking office.
BUT... it has conveniently become a source of ridicule (IE Birthers) which discredits the issue in the minds of the public at large and the press. Polarik has been part of keeping the COLB in the spotlight. Ultimately the COLB is NOT the main issue. The main issue has always been what the COLB hides by creating an atmosphere ripe for ridicule. It hides British Citizenship, and possible welfare fraud and Identification fraud on the part of the State of Hawaii.
Now, in light of this... Polarik’s motivations MUST be called into questions. I made a mistake and admitted to it. So its not about me. I took my lumps for it.
WHY make the COLB an issue again, when it isn’t the MAIN issue? Why make me a target again? Why stir up any of this again?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Danae, I can’t answer your questions about Polarik. I’m not here to defend him. He seems to defend himself well enough, and as he sees fit. I don’t know about Berg or Clinton. I’d like to hear his defense against those allegations.
I can hazard a guess that perhaps he began weighing in on this in June 2008 because that’s when the COLB appeared. It’s when a LOT of us started weighing in everywhere because it was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. That image was so obviously bogus and when the media did not agree with the sheer ridiculousness of posting a digital image on a website, supposedly as PROOF of eligibility, many of us felt compelled to do everything in our power to say, “Hey, wait a minute. Could you at least investigate this?”
My beef has always and ever been with the complicit media and now that they’ve been outed via their little JournoList, we can see how this all went down.
THAT massive conspiracy between left-wing media, politicians, “think tanks”, academia, etc., imho, is FAR MORE important than Obama because even if you expose and oust him, the machine will still exist. Can and will just set up another candidate. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
It might be that Polarik presses the issue because he’s writing a book. He can answer for himself. And I’d like to hear him answer. Truly. You are perfectly right to ask questions.
I agree that what Obama conceals is far more important than that image at FactCheck. It’s a forgery and I think for this reason: Hawaiian law states that an amended birth certificate must indicate the fact that it was amended. He doesn’t want anyone to know that it was amended because he doesn’t want to answer the logical questions that would follow. Which would reveal everything he’s been concealing.
I get that you believe that people are falling into a trap. I think that people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds about whether or not they’re being used. While it may be frustrating for you to watch, people have the right to make their own mistakes. That’s what freedom and self-determination is all about.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame those who try to discredit the COLB for the very existence of the attacks on “birthers”. They would have demonized ANYBODY who opposed Obama, for any reason. Limbaugh and Beck do their thing. Nobody knows WHY they don’t address this subject. There could be many factors. Maybe they know something we don’t know. Like the true story. Tucker Carlson, for one, suggested once that he does know something. He said it’s not fair to hold Obama accountable for the “mistakes” of his parents. If they know what we don’t, and since they can’t predict how the truth will play out, whether it will work to the advantage of those they support instead of work against them, maybe that’s why they won’t go there.
I do also vaguely remember the gist of your tiff with Polarik. You made a mistake about a document, which you admitted to and apologized for. He said your document was not real. At the time, I disagreed with him. I didn’t think he proved his case. Without wasting a lot of time going back and reading it all again, imho, it’s water under the bridge. I’ve been reading this thread from the get go. I don’t think Polarik is the one who made you “a target” again. Someone else was pushing that issue. I don’t know why.