Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms date accepted and date filed on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms Date accepted by the State Registrar and Date filed by the State Registrar referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the Date filed by the State Registrar is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obamas Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
Supposedly Dr. West was the father of her college friend. So I can see a casual lunch and casual questions. As to her memory about 48 years later, who knows. I remember some things back to when I 2 years old, yet other stuff I can not recall from 10 years ago.
She might even be a complete liar. Who knows. The point is, there has to be some level of credibility to believe Dr. West was the proper doctor. If he was indeed retired at age 46, then he probably wasn’t O’s baby doctor. Nelson is either wrong or lying.
But, was he retired? 46 seems a young age to retire with a few kids, but he may have been rich. The picture shows an older man, before his retirement. Two other bios indicate he worked until his 70’s.
So, can we truly say, as an answer to Nelsons’ story, that he was retired. At the very least, the question is open.
parsy, who says this is why birther thread serve some useful function
Bwa-ha-ha! Nice try, Brown-eye.
How about THIS thread, where you After-Birthers are
being called-out on your incessant LIES and SPIN?
The smell of After-Birther flesh is in there air HERE.
And you KNOW it.
Dang! Did this whole group attend Panahou School and travel halfway around the world to attend college in Chicago?
Then don’t read it, dumbA$$. It’s your loss. The article provides information that supports your stupid theory. Ignore it all you want.
Accepting “help” for our "stupid theory" ... from an After-Birther?
You're not even worthy of a good zotting.
No, I don’t think he could ever have been an NBC, His dad is British. The cretin inherited his citizenship at birth along with the USA. In order to be a Natural Born Citizen you must be born with only ONE potential citizenship, that of the USA. That means both parents must be citizens and be born on our soil. That does not describe Obama.
I don’t think he could have been an NBC from the instant he was conceived.
It’s sad that now days one has to check the poster before reading the post. Many do skip past the fertilizer. We should have smelled ozone a month ago, what’s the deal?
One wonders.
Cool. Most of that seems to be speculation however. So fat the only official thing is that the numbers were done in the Office in Honolulu.
LOL this IS funny.... you can’t believe everything you read on the internet.
In a real way I think the Birth Certificate stuff is a goose Chase. The real meat lay on the counter in front of us in a package labeled “BRITISH FATHER”. That is what made it impossible for Obama to ever have been, at any time, an NBC.
I don’t know why I’m wasting my time responding to you.
But....
We know that Accepted, Received, and Filed are all terms that have been used on COLB’s because COLB’s having them have been posted online. The question Okubo was asked was what the terms mean.
Okubo explained that Accepted had previously been used to say when a BC was received in a DOH office anywhere in the state. Filed previously meaned that the number was given in the state registrar’s office and the BC was filed.
Now, she explains, they rolled it all into the word “Filed” because when BC’s are filed electronically it all happens on the same day - as it also had happened with most births even before that, because the local registrar and state registrar almost always got the BC on the same day anyway, unless it was a birth outside of Oahu.
So the terminology may be different on different COLB’s out there today, depending on whether the COLB was printed before, or after, the time they rolled it all into the word “filed”.
Where the problem comes in for myself, BP2, and others is in the procedures for BC’s that are incomplete - where the state registrar has received the BC in their office but the BC doesn’t meet the standards to be given a certificate number. Okubo has not clarified what happens in that instance, and that is what we are discussing.
What she has said matches what several posters here have seen on their own COLB’s - COLB’s which they know are valid. So Okubo is most probably correct in what she has said regarding BC’s that qualify as valid. So stop with the baloney about Okubo’s statement not matching what we see on COLB’s.
What Okubo said clearly, though, was that they assign the certificate numbers in the state office on the “Date filed”. She said that after consulting with Alvin Onaka, the state registrar - the last e-mail of that communication being accidentally left in Okubo’s UIPA response.
If you want to call Okubo and Onaka unreliable sources I won’t argue. If you want to call them unreliable sources and still say we are crazy for therefore wanting an investigation, I will argue and for good reason.
It is foolish of you to make stuff up about their procedures because that will be found out by looking at the certificates themselves. Liars can cheat for a while but eventually the truth comes out.
I’ve figured out why communists and Islamists make such good bedfellows with each other: they both believe in lying for the cause, without batting an eyelash. Both believe in hiding under disguises right up to they point they detonate the bomb. It will be really interesting when we reach the point where they devour each other though.
Thanks, I see that now. Making my way down the thread while heading home on the train. Takes me a while to sift through posts on this blackberry.
As I've said before, each step of the process has it's own set of numbers as per their own housekeeping. The hospital may put it's own record keeping numbers on it. The city/county also writes on it the volume and page number where they've filed it. The state then puts the final certified number on it. Perhaps it's the individual hospitals who pre-print their own forms.
Also what has been stated is that the time it took for the various islands to forward the records to the state was several days. With that, if each hospital on each island had their own special stack of blank pre-numbered forms then you would have out of sequence all over the place. The big island would be submitting certificates thousands of numbers past what the smaller islands with far fewer births in to the state. Talk about total chaos. What you're proposing is impossible.
Bwaahahahahaha! Way to go!
parsy
749 posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:09:26 PM by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
It's been nearly 3 1/2 hours and no response from BuckT on this thread or the other one created so one can only conclude that this is where it ends as there is NO other factual or legitimate sources other than the obots conspiracy theories that have been posted.
BTW, I'm still giggling over the fact that BuckT thinks birth cert applications are handled in the same manner as automobiles.
Nelson article - The team came alive when he got on the court, she said. He was not only quick and graceful, but he could see the pattern and zero in on the opening. Though he wasnt a starter, he was a graceful, passionate athlete who played back-up forward. He had a definite presence on the court.”
Washington Post article - Obama stayed away from student leadership roles at Punahou and gave his friends no clues that a few decades later he would emerge as a national political figure... Keith Peterson, a school mate - “When I look back, one of the things that stood out was that he didn’t stand out,”... Mike Ramos, a school mate - “Was there a leader? Did we defer to Barry? I don’t think so”... the Buffanblu won the state championship, defeating Moanalua 60-28. Obama came off the bench to score two points. So much for the dream of becoming a rich NBA star.
Somewhere, here or a related article, there is a quote from Hussein admitting to his basketball coach years later that he wasn’t a very good player and the coach agreeing. Yeah, so much for Nelson’s dream in glorifying The One.
Why did you twice delete the name of the office worker your friend said he spoke with?
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