Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
His claim was he was protecting his “source” from inquiries. Ok. Then don’t offer them as a source.
Fred, oh Fred. There is like this big huge glaring BO BO on your copy. I took one look at it and it screamed at me. Do you want to know via freepmail or on the thread.
I am willing to risk embarrassment if you are.
parsy, who thinks he is on solid English ground
It speaks to veracity. You originally stated that it was an attorney but making your source a FEDERAL judge gives it more "POW", right? And it still makes it an anecdotal and unprovable source.
I didn’t post an e-mail, moron. And my reason for not revealing the name of a federal judge is to protect him from being assaulted and harassed by a bunch of insane birthers.
You argue this stupid point as if the judge’s opinion is something unique that has never before been revealed and must be verified before you will accept the truth of the statement.
Oh dear...sounds like it’s the first time you’ve seen this...and why should I be embarrassed? This document is just a scan of something; just as your master’s supposed CoLB is, you know...the one that first saw the light of day on KOS, WITHOUT A CERTIFICATION NUMBER.
Yes, genius. It would reveal her name and address since she’s an office of the court. She’s the only court reporter in his court and is listed as such in public records. So revealing his name is revealing her name and then mine.
Because there are now TWO BIG BO BO s on this. Or at least, there appears to be. Oh, I mean like so big, that if I am correct, whoever even had a copy of this would be branded uncredible and inbelievable!
parsy, who may be putting his foot into his mouth
..then why bother making up the stupid story about the lawyer, judge, mother...and watch who you call moron. It’s not the point of law I question, it’s your feeble presentation.
They were replying to a specific request he had made, and that is the only way they respond. With out being able to see which response you are referring to I really can’t say anything about what is or isn’t in the file. However, in at least one of the responses that Terry got, there is more than one document in the file.
You have to keep in mind, that they may be considering receipts for copies of COLB’S printed out and such things as being part of the file. Just because there is more than one item in a file does not necessarily mean that there is A B C documents there.
We can make guesses about what it is, but only people have have seen the file know what is in it. No one else can say for sure. Including Terry, Leo, me or anyone else. The only people who know are Obama and the HDOH.
I didn’t offer him as a source. I said I asked “a lawyer.” That could be anybody. patlin suggested the lawyer was a liberal. I clarified by providing further details. That was the end of it. I didn’t cite the judge as an expert or offer him as the source of some irrefutable and spectacular evidence.
Y’all are ridiculous.
so, out with it, foot in mouth disease never bothered you before...or are you wating for your minders instructions?
You’re a troll. You outed yourself this week.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
YES!
OK.. Here goes. In America, we date things: mm/dd/yyyy.
In England, and English colonies and commonwealths, they typically date things: dd/mm/yyyy.
So look at Mom’s date of birth: 11/29/42, or the 11th day of the 29th month of 1942. But in England, there are only 20 months in a year! (OK, I’m joking) There is no 29th month.
Also look at John Kwame Odongo’s signature date: 8/7/1961
or July 8, 1961. BUT Obama was born on August 4, 1961. The doctor signed this about a month BEFORE Obama was born.
Now one person might date it Americanized. But two subjects dating it Americanized?
parsy, who is waiting to find out if he is brilliant or stupid
NO.
You jump on posters for the same. We're only holding you to the same standard.
I didn’t make up anything. I was asked a direct question, “Why not just produce the birth certificate?”
It’s a fair question and one I had myself. So I asked someone with knowledge of the law and some whose judgment I trust without question.
I could have simply repeated the judge’s opinion as my own, but that would be dishonest. Since IANAL, it was relevant to indicate that the opinion came from a lawyer.
I don’t jump on anyone for clarifying a statement. And I didn’t just “happen” to ask a lawyer. I’ve posted comments about this federal judge and his opinion of Orly’s freak show before on FR. Look it up.
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