Judge questions Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth certificate in hearing ...

Ledger Enquirer ^ | Sept. 14, 2009 | CHUCK WILLIAMS

[SvenMagnussen]

During a hearing in U.S. District Court Monday, an attorney for an Army officer fighting deployment to Iraq questioned Barack Obama’s legal right to serve as president, asserting he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Judge Clay Land, inquisitive throughout the 90-minute hearing, said he will issue a decision on Capt. Connie Rhodes’ request for a temporary restraining order by noon Wednesday.

Rhodes was represented by Orly Taitz, a California lawyer and a national figure in the “birther” movement that claims Obama does not meet the qualifications to be president.

California attorney Orly Taitz, the president of the Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, stands on the steps of the Columbus federal courthouse Friday with what she claims is a copy of a birth certificate for President Barack Obama from Mombass, British Protectorate of Kenya.

Maj. Rebecca Ausprung, with the Department of the Army, Litigation Division in Washington, told Land this case was about Rhodes, not Obama.

“There was a lack of any reference to Capt. Rhodes,” Ausprung said. “This case is about Capt. Rhodes and her deployment.”

Taitz kept going back to Obama’s birth certificate. Twice she called Obama a “usurper.”

[nufsed]

You think you should challenge people just to have fun.

As NS posted earlier.

[Pilsner]

Hey Birthers. Ever notice that the attorneys in these cases seem to be either (1) the victims of a mass conspiracy to thwart their righteous lawsuits, or (2) grossly incompetent?

Now I certainly think the correct answer is # 2. But tell me, is there a possibility # 3? Can Orly really not have yet "figgered out" that she has the burden of proof in the cases she brings?

Could this be an "Operation Trust" situation. Never heard of the Operation Trust? When the Communists took over Russia, after WWI, they faced considerable internal resistance. Rather than immediately crush every opposition group, or emigre group, the Communists set up the Monarchist Union of Central Russia.

The MUCR became an umbrella group for anti-Communist activists, which allowed the Communists to monitor and control, and when they were strong enough to eliminate, their opponents. Vast sums of money were donated to MUCR, which meant donated to the very Communists the donors were trying to overthrow, and anti-Communist agents were methodically identified, and either killed or turned.

Could Obama's people be that devious? Maybe. Certainly the Birther attorneys are the Washington Generals of the legal profession. Is BO just lucky in that regards, or he making his own luck? Is it all a conspiracy?

I don't think it is a conspiracy. I think that if there was anything remotely approaching a case there, Free Republic's own Congressman Billy Bob would litigating away. He is not, and neither is any other attorney 1/10 as good as a below average, semi-literate, felon filing lawsuits from some maximum security prison.

But if you just have to believe in a conspiracy, this one at least explains (1) why BO would rather keep this going, than release his longform birth certificate, and (2) why the attorneys "suing" him stumble from one fiasco to another.

[Cyropaedia]

As I have stated previously, it is incumbent upon Obama to prove that he is actually eligible for the office because only he, by law, is allowed to access the necessary documentation in question. We are not allowed to do it for him.

That is a critical point.

[Non-Sequitur]

I see, Chinslurp. They can take the time to look at the records for 3rd party candidates, but will trust Nancy Pelosi when it comes to major parties? With morons like that in the positions of SOS, no wonder we are in the mess we’re in.

It is what it is, Butthead. But it can be changed.

So yes, we’ll pass laws telling the SOS’s to do their f***** jobs properly.

Before or after you canonize Saint Orly of Taitz?

Look up chinslurp in the dictionary, and you’ll find your photo.

And your picture is available online as well.

[thecodont]

Fine. Let's roll.

So what happens now? What is the next step?

And what happened with the court case in Santa Ana today? Is discovery proceeding?

Thanks.

[Red Steel]

Your post to Pissant: The unfortunate answer is that nobody is tasked with that responsibility. No state agency, no federal agency, no individual. But it's an easy enough problem to fix. Since states decide who appears on their ballots, even for federal offices, then if only one state would pass a law requiring all candidates must present appropriate documents proving their qualifications for the office then the problem would be solved. Instead of whining about the problems as they are why aren't you advocating solving them?

First of all troll, there are efforts underway to create new laws where candidates have to show if they Constitutionally qualify for office. Butt you knew that anyway since you troll here. Second, we can chew gun and walk at the same time... that means we can take on many issues at the same time.

[thecodont]

IIRC, the other guy on the couch is Sohale Siddiqi , Obama’s Pakistani Muslim roommate and best friend for years.

The guy mentioned in this article (about some debt collection center in Isamabad) is Kashif Siddiqi. Probably no relation? Probably a common Pakistani surname.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakistan-call-center15-2009sep15,0,5191179.story?page=1&track=rss

[Red Steel]

That’s you in the picture a self portrait.

[normanpubbie]

Obama was elected on November 4th and inaugurated on January 20th. As I understand Amendment XX, the qualification challenge period of clause two of the amendment ends the day the new presidential term begins. Or to put it into contemporary slang, that train left the station on January 20th, 2009.

If one contends that the qualification period is still active, then it must also be active for the rest of the term and even after the President leaves office. No court anywhere in the land will buy that argument.

Article II, Section 1, describes the qualifications to be President and does not have a time limitation. That is the constitutional provision you folks need to concentrate on, not Amendment XX.

[nufsed]

We have proven NS wrong on this thread about the authority and responsibilities of the secretaries of state, but he will not acknowledge it. Tomorrow, he’ll present the same challenge to some newbie until he is proven wrong for the 176th time.

[nufsed]

If the person serving in the office commited fraud to be there, that is actionable by at least impeachment.

[rolling_stone]

first cause of action declaratory relief
...pray for court to declare whether under Article II Section 1 and Amendment 20 Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, defendant Barack H. Obama is a natural born citizen...(my english would have stated whether or not, or if, not just whether)

second injunction (of inaugaration)

third common law writ of mandamus
to produce or compell production of documents or to FBI Sec of State (Rice) and OPM.

In the file after the complaint, Orly is noticed that the Magistrate will handle all discovery motions, which makes me wonder about her previous motion asking why he was involved. sloppy.

on 9/13 court file indicates
Discovery will not begin until Oct 5, Orly expects to file a second amended complaint adressing MTD jurisdictional and pleading concernsby then. Orly wants Kreep out for conflict of interest with current plaintiffs and past case.Requests he resign or she will file a motion.

Orly attempting to set up depositions dates with US Attorney for defendants. Orly has two “law clerks” Lincoln and Freiman, working with her apparently at deposition of Lucas smith by USA. Orly will be on phone conference.

............
After the last hearing I think her attempt to get Kreep out or she will file another motion is ill advised and contrary to judge Carter’s indications...

I am concerned...between today not shutting up and going on about the BC in Georgia,and this, it appears she does not listen well to the person(s) who will decide her cases. I applaud her efforts, but experience may be lacking. The last person you want to antogonize is the judge, true you must press your case but choose your battles to win.

[infominer]

Thanks for the information. It appears that they are more than likely legitimate as they contain the same typo as the Obama nomination certification from 2008: “though”.

Very interesting that they contain the same typo and have the Constitutional eligibility clause missing. All three forms; 2000, 2004 and 2008 contain these items. Does this possible indicate an intent to defraud over a long period of time?

[normanpubbie]

Captain Rhodes applied for a temporary restraining order (TRO) to prevent being shipped overseas. This is not a trial. Rhodes and Taitz have been allowed to present their own exhibits but they have not been granted the power to subpoena the other side's evidence.

They could petition the judge to grant them subpoena power (which would have been a better path to take), but it has not been granted so far. So they are not entitled to compel any evidence from Obama, including a birth certificate.

[Red Steel]

People will probably have to show he’s wrong for another 176 times more....

[Tennessee Nana]

BTTT

[nufsed]

As he said before he’s just have fun with us all.

[El Gato]

To whom is he required to provide it to?

You're the one who said he provided it. I just wondered who he provided it to.

[normanpubbie]

If there is credible evidence that Obama is not a "natural born citizen," then there will be no trouble getting half of the House of Representatives to pass an impeachment and for 2/3 of the Senate to convict him and he's gone.

Problem is, such evidence is not available because access to the Hawaiian birth certificate, COLB, or or lack thereof is protected by Hawaiian law and possibly federal statutes.

[wideminded]

Strange thing on image #2, why is the information not in metric? Kilograms instead of pounds, centimeters instead of inches?

I don't recall England using kilos, kilometers, and centimeters in the 1960s. Apparently the "metrication" process in the UK did not really get underway until the 1970s. Don't forget they were using pounds, shillings, and pence until 1971.

Not sure what you mean by image #2, but when I looked at the image of the supposed Kenyan BC, what struck me was not the weight but the date. (The dates are in American rather than British style).