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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!
me | 7/21/2007 | me

Posted on 07/21/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JenB

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To: TightyRighty
I thought that he had always had a dislike for someone who wasn't born with magical powers. You can see it when he's talking to Lily about Petunia.

Losing Lily might have brought about a change of heart in him, kind of like losing Ariana did the same for Dumbledore, who lost his desire to rule 'for the greater good', and made him kinder to non-magic folks and magical creatures.

481 posted on 07/23/2007 9:50:42 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: grellis
Maybe the hat is a Horcrux of Gryffindor's.

Godric Gryffindor would never have created a Horcrux. You have to commit a murder, remember?

482 posted on 07/23/2007 9:51:50 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: JenB
Except that by the logic of Harry at the end DD would have had to hunt down who he stole it from and win it from them. Something does not add up there. I am sticking with, 'the wand chooses the wizard.'
483 posted on 07/23/2007 9:54:08 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: JenB; TalonDJ
Grindelwald stole the wand from the previous owner, remember? So he was not the “true master” of the wand and it did nothing special for him. Dumbledore did win the wand so he was its master... I think... that was the implication anyway.

But Malfoy did not "win" Dumbledore's wand, and Harry didn't "win" Malfoy's wand, either. Ollivander's discussion of wandlore, and the connection between wizard and wands, makes it sound like they don't really understand what makes a person the "master" of the Elder Wand.

Going back to the Tale of the Three Brothers, the wand itself is supposed to represent one aspect of cheating death. Perhaps the "master" of the wand is the one who can give it up.

So Grindelwald was never its master. Dumbledore wasn't able to master his fear of death, until the end, but perhaps the wand "knew" regardless. Harry definitely was its master. Malfoy probably never was.

484 posted on 07/23/2007 9:54:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: SuziQ; patriciaruth

Galaxy Quest is endlessly quotable!

“That’s your problem, Jason! You were never serious about the craft!”

“Look around. Can you make a rudimentary lathe?”

“We have to get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!”

“Does the rolling help?”


485 posted on 07/23/2007 9:55:09 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: discostu

I am sure Snape always saw the worst in James, that he couldn’t have been that bad or Lily wouldn’t have loved him.

I am also sure we finally know why James hated Snape so much! Who wouldn’t hate the nasty slimy Slytherin who was always hanging around monopolizing the girl you were in love with?


486 posted on 07/23/2007 9:55:34 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Politicalmom
But Snape never gave him any explanation for what he was supposed to do.

Good points. I don't mean to criticize Rowling (who wasn't writing an education manual), but a lot of the teaching was on the order of "Transformation means changing one thing into another. Now, everyone partner up and give it a try!"

Lupin actually tried to teach. Most of the other classroom scenes didn't show so much effort in this area. But it would have been boring and pointless if they had.

487 posted on 07/23/2007 9:56:51 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: Politicalmom

I think he did but Harry didn’t want to pay attention. Contrast how Harry behaves in those lessons and learning from Lupin, when Harry had problems with the Patronum he turned it inward felt he was doing something wrong and Lupin encouraged him, when he had problems with Occlumency he turned it outwards blaming Snape. It’s hard to teach someone who blames you for every misstep.


488 posted on 07/23/2007 9:58:37 AM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: r9etb
Grindelwald stole the wand from the previous owner, remember? So he was not the “true master” of the wand and it did nothing special for him.

Actually, I thought that Grindelwald managed to stun the owner as he was making a getaway, so the implication is unclear.

489 posted on 07/23/2007 10:02:34 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: null and void
I love Jim Dale! I can’t wait to hear this last book done. Eh???? You haven't already???? Alas, no! I am # 568 on the library's list for the audio set. I was #1236 for the book, but then went to Walmart and bought my own. :) Couldn't wait that long.
490 posted on 07/23/2007 10:03:45 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: null and void
Did he lose his broom too in that scene? (with Hedwig?) Yes. I thought he must have but it didn't specifically say did it, just implied it? Or did I read too quickly? My daughter is reading the book now(yes,I'm cruel and selfish, I read it first!) so I can't look but I figured it must have since he didn't fly it anywhere.
491 posted on 07/23/2007 10:06:01 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: JenB

I think James was your typical devil may care kind of guy, he wasn’t really into rules and really wasn’t into half measures. Whatever he did was pushed all the way, he disliked Snape and therefore Snape was a constant target, he loved Lily and was therefore completely devoted to her. Then there’s the whole wizard thing, you see in snippets throughout the series that all typical adolescent stuff gets amplified in wizards, their pranks are a bit more intense, their conflicts are more intense.


492 posted on 07/23/2007 10:07:26 AM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: null and void; tioga
I'm sure they muddled through OK.

Don't you mean you're sure they muggled through OK?

;-)

493 posted on 07/23/2007 10:11:26 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: nina0113
That's why I like that we can imagine all we want now. Look at how much we didn't know about Dumbledore, and he was a central character in the series. I never would have pegged him as being such a complete @ssclown in his youth.

We don't know a lot about the founders, particularly Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. The goblin hinted that the sword wasn't rightfully his. That could mean what Bill had said about goblin made artifacts always being in the ownership of goblins, and other beings simply "rent" them--but maybe it's more sinister. Maybe Gryffindor had murdered to get the sword.

I mean, we can't really wonder about what's going to happen in the next book!

494 posted on 07/23/2007 10:11:27 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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To: JenB
I finished yesterday afternoon, and absolutely loved it! It totally exceeded my expectations. It was scary, exciting and touching and I think Jo did a great job closing the circle on all the major characters.

Loved the "forest hopping." That was a great way to show the isolation, and the kind of "what do we do now" mindset of the trio.

Harry's struggle with his anger and doubts about DD.

Ron facing his greatest insecurities and overcoming them.

And Hermione, I love Hermione. She was so unwavering in her loyalty to Harry and his mission. So able to reign the boys in and help them stay focused on what needed to be done. And, who else would have thought to pack that righteous little beaded hand bag!!

Loved the DD/Grindelwald backstory.

Neville totally rocked!(Dumbledore's Army...still recruiting! LOL)

Snape and Petunia I thought were very satisfactorily explained.

Loved a very mature Harry digging Dobby's grave and deciding (correctly) to go after the Horcruxes instead of the Hallows.

The Marauders and Lily walking Harry to his "death." sob

And I liked the little parallel between the Bloody Baron wearing chains as an act of penitence for murdering the Gray Lady, and Snape spending his life protecting Lily's son because of his role in her murder.

There's so much more, but this post is way too long as it is!

495 posted on 07/23/2007 10:12:10 AM PDT by andyssister (It's finally here!)
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To: r9etb
But Malfoy did not "win" Dumbledore's wand

He did, when he disarmed him on the tower.

496 posted on 07/23/2007 10:13:10 AM PDT by grellis (Femininists for Fred!)
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To: andyssister

Oh, and the scene at Bathilda Bagshots house REALLY freaked me out!


497 posted on 07/23/2007 10:14:05 AM PDT by andyssister (It's finally here!)
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To: andyssister

Oh yeah!! That was really, really creepy!


498 posted on 07/23/2007 10:16:17 AM PDT by retrokitten
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To: EmilyGeiger

It specifically says the broom fell too. And he only managed to catch the napsack.


499 posted on 07/23/2007 10:16:42 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Politicalmom
Yeah, I think he really disliked Harry. The girl he loved married the guy who tormented him and then had a child with him. Then Snape tries to have them killed so that he could have Lily but it backfires and the only person left is the child that represents their love (and his actions brought about her death). Then Harry shows up at Hogwarts and has his mothers eyes but looks and acts like his dad. Harry is a constant reminder that James got the girl.

But inclined as I am to feel bad for Snape - he choose his bed. His actions drove Lily away. If he had done as Lily asked there might have been a sliver of a chance. Then to barter the lives of a baby and James for Lily - that's awful.

500 posted on 07/23/2007 10:16:45 AM PDT by TightyRighty
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