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Mary Cheney's pregnancy affects us all
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| 12/07/2006
| Janice Shaw Crouse
Posted on 12/07/2006 7:16:54 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: HitmanLV
Giving Mary Cheney too much credit or heat is misplaced. I don't know why some folks would be unusually fixated by her case. There's nothing more appealing and satisfying than rubbing people's noses in an "I am better than you" blanket. Perhaps some people have too much time on their hands - that tends to be the main contributor to this lamentable malady, which affects a lot of us.
To: Victoria Delsoul
442
posted on
12/07/2006 9:50:53 PM PST
by
HitmanLV
(Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
To: xsmommy
"You see, i talk to my kids about right and wrong and what is good for society and that which is inadvisable, in the context of current events, so that they are not inured to the degradation of our society. if one doesn't provide a moral framework for one's children and leaves them to absorb the morals of popular culture it is even more lamentable."
Absolutely agree and well stated.
443
posted on
12/08/2006 6:28:42 AM PST
by
tuffydoodle
(Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
To: Victoria Delsoul; tuffydoodle
Is she selfish for doing this? Yes, I believe so, and I might add that she is also wrong, but under such circumstances being that Mary is a lesbian marrying a man to have a child wouldn't have changed the view point of the child. As he/she got older, he/she would've realized that his/her mother didn't love nor even like his father, and that she preferred women, resulting in a child's distorted sense of traditional family values. I absolutely agree, however, the answer is to NOT HAVE A CHILD. just because you are a woman and capable of childbearing doesn't mean that it is ESSENTIAL that you give birth. that is where the selfishness comes in, in this or any case like it, the absolute need to bear a child, just because i can. it can't possibly be to experience the joy of making a child with her partner, because that isn't biologically possible. there is no way to produce a child that is a product of a lesbian relationship. so truly it is all about her and her need to have a child just because she wants to, and can. and i disagree that it is any sense of being better than someone else that has people up in arms on this thread. like i said, i have kids and i talk to them about our culture and what is right and what is wrong. there are far too many WRONG things that need to be explained. my 18 year old daughter was profoundly disappointed to hear this news.
444
posted on
12/08/2006 6:47:22 AM PST
by
xsmommy
To: Antoninus
Pictures of Lily struck me funny the first time I heard it too. It took me a while to put it all together (Pictures of Lily, Tommy, Quadrophenia, Rough Boys, etc.). It all added up to someone who was probably molested as a child. When he said he knew how it felt to be "loved like a woman," that was enough. I put all the old Who vinyl into storage, never to be heard again. Someday, I hope to sell them to an aging hippie for some serious money.
Before we return to arguing about the unimportant stuff......please give another thought to why you put the old Who stuff away. Pete Townshend is a writer, and like all writers he creates stories and characters. That doesn't mean he is that character or even approves of what that character does. Satan is the coolest character in Paradise Lost, but that doesn't mean we should shut Milton away. I'm sure much of what Townshend writes about does come from personal experience, but if he was molested as a child (which I also believe), why should that make you think less of him?
As you might have guessed, Quadrophenia is my favorite. It came out when I was in high school, but even though I was a Who fan I didn't buy it because I thought you had to have a quadrophonic stereo system to listen to it (stupid boy that I was). In college, I started listening to my roommate's eight-track version of it, and I played it so often that the people on my floor bought me the album for my birthday. I had the great pleasure of seeing The Who perform the entire album on tour in 1996 and 1997. I also saw them just last September, and despite the sad losses of Moon and Entwistle, they still put on a kick-a** show.
And speaking of Entwistle, by the way, he is actually the one who wrote both Cousin Kevin and Fiddle About (Uncle Ernie). The Ox was one disturbed dude!
445
posted on
12/08/2006 7:15:39 AM PST
by
drjimmy
To: drjimmy
My disillusionment with the Who went through several phases. The realization that Peter Townsend is a deeply disturbed person was only the final straw.
I started out believing that both he and his band-mates were musical geniuses--and cool, to boot. Of course, I was 15 or so at the time and thought Rolling Stone magazine was the ultimate arbiter of good and bad, quality and junk. Inevitably, I grew up and my horizons broadened. I got beyond "rock opera" and discovered real opera--Mozart, Rossini, Beethoven. Then I found religious music--Mozart's Requiem, Bach's Masses, Handel's Messiah, Palestrina, etc. In comparison to these enduring works of true genius, Quadrophenia and Tommy appeared as kitchy pieces of ephemera produced by a truly sick individual with no sense of the transcendant.
Of course, I didn't stop liking the music at that point--it still had a certain "rebellion" value attached to it that appealed me as an 18 year old. Then I saw the Who in concert in 1989. They were lame. Peter Townsend's years of ultra-loud riffing had destroyed his hearing and he was forced to perform behind glass with an electrified accoustic guitar. They looked old and tired--an act mailing it in in search of a paycheck.
But the last straw was all the homo-stuff that I never put together until his "loved like a woman" comments. Now, the Who was no longer even cool--just pathetic.
That said, wanna buy my Who vinyl? $50 a pop and they're yours.
446
posted on
12/08/2006 8:10:47 AM PST
by
Antoninus
("Dealing with the pampered and effeminate Americans will be easy." --Osama bin Laden)
To: xsmommy
I'm still slowly reading through this thread (sorry I missed it when it was active) but I haven't seen this point made: when saying that what consenting adults do in the bedroom is nobodys business, consider the early 1980's. The bathhouses were in full swing, it was "consenting adults" using them and they were saying it was nobodys business. Then along comes AIDS, spread profusely among gays in the bathhouses. Suddenly, it becomes everyone's business. Immoral behavior affects everyone, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually, we all pay for it. Mary Cheney having a baby out of wedlock is miniscule piece of the puzzle, but a piece nonetheless.
447
posted on
12/08/2006 8:13:10 AM PST
by
tuffydoodle
(Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
To: Responsibility2nd
The baby has only one mother and one father. All this pregnancy does is highlight the farce that is lesbianism. How can the desire to have sex with women go with the desire to bear children? It can't, not logically. Welcome to the end result of elevating so-called human reason and will above all else. It ends in contradiction and absurdity. There is such a thing as truth and it is not derived from our own emotions. I want therefore I am will eventually bump into reality.
448
posted on
12/08/2006 10:44:17 AM PST
by
The Ghost of FReepers Past
(Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
To: xsmommy
just because you are a woman and capable of childbearing doesn't mean that it is ESSENTIAL that you give birth. that is where the selfishness comes in, in this or any case like it, the absolute need to bear a child, just because i can. it can't possibly be to experience the joy of making a child with her partner, because that isn't biologically possible.
Faulty logic.
So a couple who can't have kids, their parenting experience is somehow lessened by adopting?
They can't "experience the joy of making a child with her partner", after all.
449
posted on
12/08/2006 2:35:25 PM PST
by
highball
(Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
To: xsmommy
The root of that selfishness your refer to is anger.
What these ninnies have done is immoral and destructive.
450
posted on
12/08/2006 2:40:35 PM PST
by
eleni121
( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
To: linda_22003
"... a pretty solid family, and the baby born into it will be well provided for, both materially and emotionally. "
It's not a family--that's where you make your primal error. The child is not being born into a nuclear traditional family but something like a post modern tribe constituted by two bio females living together telling thousands of years of social cohesion and tradition to FO!
If you can't see how this travesty undermines us all you are incapable of thinking. Or maybe agendized...
451
posted on
12/08/2006 2:54:06 PM PST
by
eleni121
( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
To: linda_22003
>>what do you propose should be done about it?
Well, for starters, artificial insemination of lesbians - which is a medical procedure, should be illegal.
Just as marriage between lesbians is illegal in most states.
Humans evolved over 4.5 billion years to procreate via heterosexual reproduction.
This abuse of technology is a perversion of natural law.
Actively selecting and reproducing homosexual genes will have consequences.
Ever read Frankenstein?
452
posted on
12/08/2006 8:23:29 PM PST
by
VxH
(There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
To: eleni121
So I take it you won't be contributing to a baby shower present. :)
To: VxH
Yes, I have read it (very different from the movies, isn't it?). The "monster" could quote philosophy and the classics better than most people today could, and he certainly wasn't homosexual.
To: VxH
This abuse of technology is a perversion of natural law.
I take it, then, that you are opposed to all forms of artificial insemination (if in fact that's what they did in this case, which has not been established)?
455
posted on
12/09/2006 7:24:09 AM PST
by
highball
(Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
To: linda_22003
you won't be contributing to a baby shower present. :)
Silly response to a very serious issue :)
Of course the baby is the innocent party in all this. The baby simply serves as a statement tool for two grown women who need to make a political statement.
456
posted on
12/09/2006 8:10:21 AM PST
by
eleni121
( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
To: xsmommy
Absolutely! What the "this won't affect you" crowd doesn't understand is that there are always collective implications for people's actions that effect others. This will further destroy the traditional family and we will soon resemble Europe. Self-centered narcissistic brats who aren't having children at all because there aren't any standards left.
To: Responsibility2nd
Dick Cheney is an outstanding Grandfather to his grand kids. If he needs to stand in as a Father figure for this child, he surely will. And Lynn is an outstanding Grandmother...she'll make sure this child's needs are met completely.
458
posted on
12/09/2006 10:20:20 AM PST
by
shield
(A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
To: linda_22003
>>and he certainly wasn't homosexual.
But it certainly was un-natural, wasn't it?
The end result of obsession that led to abomination and the perversion of nature.
459
posted on
12/09/2006 2:00:22 PM PST
by
VxH
(There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
To: highball
>>you are opposed to all forms of artificial insemination
Nope just where it's a clear perversion of nature.
460
posted on
12/09/2006 2:02:50 PM PST
by
VxH
(There are those who declare the impossible - and those who do the impossible.)
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