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Taxing Sales under the FairTax – What Rate Works?
Boston University ^ | September 2006 | Laurence J. Kotlikoff et al

Posted on 10/19/2006 5:11:50 PM PDT by pigdog

As specified in Congressional bill H.R. 25/S. 25, the FairTax is a proposal to replace the federal personal income tax, corporate income tax, payroll (FICA) tax, capital gains, alternative minimum, self-employment, and estate and gifts taxes with a single-rate federal retail sales tax. The FairTax also provides a prebate to each household based on its demographic composition. The prebate is set to ensure that households pay no taxes net on spending up to the poverty level.

Bill Gale (2005) and the President’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform (2005) suggest that the effective (tax inclusive) tax rate needed to implement H.R. 25 is far higher than the proposed 23% rate. This study, which builds on Gale’s (2005) analysis, shows that a 23% rate is eminently feasible and suggests why Gale and the Tax Panel reached the opposite conclusion.

This paper begins by projecting the FairTax’s 2007 tax base net of its rebate. Next it calculates the tax rate needed to maintain the real levels of federal and state spending under the FairTax. It then determines if an effective rate of 23% would be sufficient to fund 2007 estimated spending or if not, the amount by which non-Social Security federal expenditures would need to be reduced. Finally, it shows that the FairTax imposes no additional real fiscal burdens on state and local government, notwithstanding the requirement that such governments pay the FairTax when they purchase goods and services.

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: fairtax; incometax; itchyandscratchy; taxes; taxreform
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To: Always Right

What a dream, eh?


501 posted on 10/22/2006 5:15:44 PM PDT by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: Mojave
To see how wrong the Tax Panel was about things just read the paper in the lead-in post. Their claim of the prebate as an "entitlement" has no more honesty or credence than does yours.

It is as I said, the prebate is a rebate, not an entitlement. The fact that you (or the Tax Panel) can't use a dictionary is your problem, not mine.

502 posted on 10/22/2006 5:19:38 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Indeed you have such a right provided you can offer a better tax system in its place - and most people realize the income tax system we have ain't it.

I have an unqualified right from my creator. Stuff it.

503 posted on 10/22/2006 5:19:47 PM PDT by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: Mojave
And create the largest entitlement system in history.

Hence the advertised "greater progressivity". More commie sh*t.

504 posted on 10/22/2006 5:25:35 PM PDT by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: GregoryFul
Several times through this thread, you've spoken of yourself as a "middle-class retiree" and seem to say that you plan to live off of your accumulated savings for 20-30 years comfortably with no income other than the savings.

This doesn't help see what your tax situation would be under the FairTax an apparently you don't wish to use the calculator for some reason.

Is the above a correct description of what you're said? If so, what would you consider to be a comfortable amount of money to spend over the next 20 to 30 years? Are you married? With/without children? Do you have any other income after you retire? If so, who much - or is it only S/S?

505 posted on 10/22/2006 5:28:48 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
The discussion here, however, is about the FairTax, not your beloved income tax.

Did you notice that it was your quote I responded to? If you want to keep the discussion focused on the FairTax, then don't derail it.

506 posted on 10/22/2006 5:43:26 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pigdog
It is as I said, the prebate is a rebate

You're known for lying frequently.

The so-called "prebate" monthly entitlement check would have nothing to do with what the recipient would actually pay in "Fair" taxes.

507 posted on 10/22/2006 5:43:56 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: pigdog
I asked for no such quotes...

Really? Who was the quote from that I cut and pasted?

508 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:21 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: GregoryFul
More commie sh*t.

A Karl Marx wet dream.

509 posted on 10/22/2006 5:45:23 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: pigdog
You're known for lying frequently.

Now who's attacking whom?

510 posted on 10/22/2006 5:54:16 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Mojave
It's not "so-called". It IS called a prebate and it's defined in the bill as a rebate. A rebate (as defined many times before) is "... a return of a part of a payment ...".

I realize that a big, difficult concept ... but try to understand!!!

511 posted on 10/22/2006 6:15:30 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: xcamel
You DO have a reading/comprehension problem, don't you???

That's merely another of the FairTax bashers (one of your bedfellows) attacking me ... but I thought you knew that.

512 posted on 10/22/2006 6:18:04 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom
Well no ... what I noticed was you responding to a post to someone else and attempting to offer a lame defense of the income tax where the post I made to someone else was referring not to the income tax but to a poster who routinely made that claim.

So go try your "momma knows best" trash someplace else. I didn't discuss the income tax - you did.

513 posted on 10/22/2006 6:21:25 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom

Which quote and which cut and paste do you refer to?


514 posted on 10/22/2006 6:24:41 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

No, we just point out what an obnoxious little whiner you are.


515 posted on 10/22/2006 6:25:51 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: groanup
I've retirement savings in many different categories, perhaps I've overdone it. Tax sheltered index funds, individual stocks held at long and short term (in my individually controlled funds, I trade a lot, if I see 10% or more in a month, I sell and cheer about it! (I've been moving my criteria up in the wake of the recent euphoria)), real estate holdings, tax free annuities, guaranteed ROI investments. Various holdings that I've accumulated over the years. Most of which I've accumulated from after tax $. I wonder every day why I go into "work."

The tax consequences of government policy are of great concern to me, as it affects my ultimate real return greatly. It is quite enticing to a trader's mindset to obviate trading profits, I would like that - no taxes on selling, but I would not like the trading gains I've achieved to be taxed again, and then at a retroactively imposed, absurd rate, I would not like that at all. I would certainly not take the capital risks I currently take, and would withdraw from the US market in quick time. Why the hell invest in the US when emerging markets are returning at least twice the return of that in the US, albeit at a higher political risk - unless it is for safety and consistency of policy.

Should the US government impose or introduce or even threaten to employ 3rd world inconsistency on investment returns - it will ultimately achieve 3rd world results.

516 posted on 10/22/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: lucysmom

As I said, I asked you for no quotes.


517 posted on 10/22/2006 6:26:52 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: xcamel

Oh, I see ... the attacks are fine so long as they are directed at a FairTaxer but not the other way around ... very interesing. Sort of a unilateral bash-fest, eh?


518 posted on 10/22/2006 6:30:21 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Mojave

A retroactively enacted tax on accumulated assets - a commie wet dream, I like that.


519 posted on 10/22/2006 6:33:06 PM PDT by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: pigdog
It IS called a prebate

Yep, that's the invented word used by the NSRT cultists to misrepresent their entitlement scheme.

520 posted on 10/22/2006 6:40:09 PM PDT by Mojave
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