Ann Coulter weighs in on Darwinism

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[Tribune7]

I’m happy to report that I was in constant correspondence with Ann regarding her chapters on Darwinism — indeed, I take all responsibility for any errors in those chapters. :-)

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Well, a lot of us Christians accept the Bible as the truth and that means we accept God as the creator."

So do the people who accept evolution and Christianity.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"But something MUST be wrong!

Why is there so much SIN in the country???"

Unconnected to a person's accepting evolution... or being a creationist.

[Ichneumon]

Oh but to be pinged when quoted by name or spoken of, but rules apply only to some.

What "rule" would that be? Oh, right, there isn't one.

It can be a *courtesy* (not a "rule") to ping someone if their post is quoted, but a) you have posted enough insulting material that I owe you no courtesy, b) it's not as if I employed your post in a way that you would find objectionable or requiring rebuttal, I just included it to show that there are indeed people who hold the position you do (please don't try to claim that you object to having your public opinions made public...), and c) I wasn't interested in having the thread dragged farther afield by having you and your fellows pop in to add to the noise. And sure enough here you are with the same old routine. It has already been dealt with before, and I'm not going to waste time on it now.

But hey, if you wnt to argue with someone, and you clearly do, go take it up with wallcrawlr. He said, with regard to the notion that "a belief in evolution is incompatible with conservatism and a belief in God", and I quote, "It isnt. PERIOD." Let's you and him fight it out and get back to me when you come to a consistent position, m'kay? Until then, I'm not too impressed with your absolute claims to know what the Bible actually says, since it disagrees so much with other people's claims to know what the Bible says. Or as someone once pointed out, "So long as man is still in flesh, there will be the argument over what the Bible does in fact say and instruct.". Oh, wait, that was you, wasn't it?

[Ichneumon]

Good grief--this post! It goes on forever!

Poor baby. I'm sorry for exceeding your short attention span.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

Yes, I believe that Genesis was inspired.

My post of II Peter 1:20-21 was to show that, via Scripture, we do know how:

"...men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

"carried along by the Holy Spirit" Is the Holy Spirit giving them a vision, whispering in their ear, speaking to them in a dream?
Yes, it is inspired, but do we know what it is to be carried along by the Holy Spirit in the teachings of the Bible. I'm inspired by God's Spirit at times. For me, it's a feeling of conviction. I don't know that it was the same in writing the Bible. I believe there are many ways the Spirit can carry us along.

The same about how God spoke creation into existence. Certainly he did! What does that look like. When he spoke it, did it appear just as it is now? Did dust whirl around like a tornado and form a man. Genesis says that life sprung forth from the earth? Did it pop out of the ground. Yes God spoke it. He commanded it! But that does not tell us about the manner in which he commanded it to form.

[Ichneumon]

Evolution is a tool by the left to deny Christ was, is, and will be.

Wrong again. Evolution is a field of the biological sciences. Whether or not a few people might misuse it in any particular manner doesn't change what evolution actually *is*, son.

Reword your accusations next time so that they more closely resemble reality, and not a gross falsehood. Bearing false witness is a sin.

[PatrickHenry]

Interesting. Thanks.

[pby]

No argument here!!!

[wallcrawlr]

Ich, I support any Christian in their work to discuss this topic.

It does not matter to me from what perspective they come from.


Keep at it just...it is not our job to grow the seed...but to plant it.

[Conservative Texan Mom]

(Keep at it just...it is not our job to grow the seed...but to plant it.)


Amen!

[mlc9852]

It's disturbing to me that those who claim to be Christians (meaning that they believe the Bible is the inspired word of God) can also believe that God flat out lied in Genesis. You can't have it both ways. Either God did what He said or He is a liar. I believe He did what He said.

Have a wonderful Carolina weekend.

[pby]

How do your referenced verses have any direct relationship to the creation account (talk about liberties with context)?

If Adam was created on the sixth day, and the sixth day was an unknown, long period of time, then how was Adam 930 years old at the time of his death?

If the word "day" means a long period of time, then what does "evening" and "morning" mean?

[Ichneumon]

I dont claim some authority over other Christians and what they want to believe. Its between them and the Lord. [...] You see, I dont care what my fellow Christians believe about evo/creation/ID...

Horse manure. In the post to which you are responding, I included a link where you called someone "blasphemous" for daring to state that he had no problem believing in God, and also believing that God employed evolution in His methods.

Finny wrote this:

But recognize that He may just have done it the old fashioned way....through evolution.

Mac, I agree. The arrogance of people like Sevakis who assume that they know how God performed His miracles, is breathtaking. To conclude that a the person who understands Natural Selection therefore doesn't believe in God, is arrogant in the extreme. The truth will set you free -- using God's name to deny the evidence and promote a falsehood ("scientific" creationism) in order to cleave to a literal interpretation of Genesis, is wrong and true Christians should seek the truth through science and have enough faith in God to see His hand in all of it, as I certainly do in natural selection -- it is in itself intelligent design!

Notice that no literal interpretation of the New Testament is mandatory -- everyone knows that Jesus wasn't talking about someone having, literally, a sty or a log or a plank in their eye, because that makes no physical sense!!! Double standards!!! To me, it's the folks who insist on creationism who exhibit lack of faith in God, and the brains God gave them.

12 posted on 08/26/2005 11:26:50 AM CDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)

And you responded thusly:

interesting...condescending, arrogant, and blasphemous...but interesting too

20 posted on 08/26/2005 11:42:26 AM CDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)

So don't give us this pretense of impartiality and fairmindedness now...

Oh wait, I get it -- you only refrain from disagreeing with your fellow anti-evolutionists! But when it comes to attacking people who actually do subscribe to both God and evolution, on the other hand, you consider it open season, right?

[Finny]

But recognize that He may just have done it the old fashioned way....through evolution.

Mac, I agree. The arrogance of people like Sevakis who assume that they know how God performed His miracles, is breathtaking. To conclude that a the person who understands Natural Selection therefore doesn't believe in God, is arrogant in the extreme. The truth will set you free -- using God's name to deny the evidence and promote a falsehood ("scientific" creationism) in order to cleave to a literal interpretation of Genesis, is wrong and true Christians should seek the truth through science and have enough faith in God to see His hand in all of it, as I certainly do in natural selection -- it is in itself intelligent design!

Notice that no literal interpretation of the New Testament is mandatory -- everyone knows that Jesus wasn't talking about someone having, literally, a sty or a log or a plank in their eye, because that makes no physical sense!!! Double standards!!! To me, it's the folks who insist on creationism who exhibit lack of faith in God, and the brains God gave them.

[wallcrawlr]

interesting...condescending, arrogant, and blasphemous...but interesting too

[Conservative Texan Mom]

They give direct examples that the word day is not exclusive to a 24 hour period.

As to evening and morning, read the entire post.

[Dimensio]

So I take it you don't believe in God, correct?

I lack belief in all deity constructs presented thus far.

Since you won't accept my evidence, there's really no point in continuing, correct?

You have yet to provide any evidence, so you cannot claim to know that I will not accept your evidence.

Can you prove that God didn't have a hand in the formation of the earth?

Your question requires clarification regarding the "God" to which you refer. For some definitions of "God", I can provide evidence against such a thing. For others, I cannot, however neither situation qualifies as evidence for your position.

[Dimensio]

It's disturbing to me that those who claim to be Christians (meaning that they believe the Bible is the inspired word of God) can also believe that God flat out lied in Genesis.You can't have it both ways. Either God did what He said or He is a liar.

Given that I have yet to encounter a Christian who accepts evolution who claims that God lied in Genesis, it would appear that your statement is false.

[Ichneumon]

["I thought they wrote Rush Limbaugh's theme song."]

Need a little plotted diversion did you????

Wow -- like a great many anti-evolutionists, you're in a dire need of the following:

[Dimensio]

Do you know if there exists a Linux alternative for that software, or if the Windows release will run successfully with Wine?

[Lurking Libertarian]

But something MUST be wrong! Why is there so much SIN in the country???

Was there no sin before Darwin's theory?

[js1138]

It gets verse.