Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
Sorry, I should have made it clear that this was addressed to elinil, and to you as FYI. I know you are familiar with bad arguments.
And this opportunity to say your posts have been great.
I haven't noticed your posts before this thread,and suddenly you are one of the best writers around.
I have to admit that I don't have time anymore to read every post.
Jews don't pronounce His name, but it is spelled with the Hebrew letters Y-H-V-H.
I would appreciate a civil discourse. If you don't have it in you, post to someone else.
Thiobacillus ferrooxidans and humans are quite fit for their respective environments and neither could even come close to making it in the other's backyard. And they are both here right now. Yet humans are clearly much more "complex" (whatever that is) than Thiobacillus.
Open your eyes. You are not the only thing infesting this planet and the simplest microbe is just as fit as you are.
The periodic table is still being updated and revised. All of science is continuously being updated and revised.
I think we need to use a new word: untheistic - meaning not related to God.
A-theistic is not, in my view, correct when referring to scientific studies because it implies no God, rather than Gonot relevant to the issue.
Sawing wood for example, is untheistic, not athiestic.
"Writing for the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Richard Suhrheinrich said the ACLU's "repeated reference 'to the separation of church and state' ... has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."
" Suhrheinrich wrote: "The ACLU, an organization whose mission is 'to ensure that ... the government [is kept] out of the religion business,' does not embody the reasonable person."
" The court said a reasonable observer of Mercer County's display appreciates "the role religion has played in our governmental institutions, and finds it historically appropriate and traditionally acceptable for a state to include religious influences, even in the form of sacred texts, in honoring American traditions."
Including Xenu?
We can at least agree on your sig; getting government out of education would preempt lots of these inane battles.
Not to a panthiest.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
"Again, you are stating that "evolution and the Bible" conflict when in fact it is one interpretative position on the Bible (characterized as "literal") that is in conflict with evolution. Your Corinthians quote presupposes the existence of a literal, single Adam."
The point being made is that death didn't exist until AFTER the fall , as a RESULT of the fall (which came after man first walked the earth). Adam is alway reffered to as a litteral person, but even if you CHOOSE to ignore that and ascribe it to a symbol of mankind, it does nothing to change the sequence of events which is in contradiction to evolution.
"I hope what will suffice is the understanding that "picking and choosing" is not synonymous with advocating a non-literal interpretive framework for the Bible,"
If someone is going to say X is a symbol, then it must represent something similar to X.
If someone just takes things they don't like, or things that from context are clearly litteral, and calls them symbolic so they can justify ignoring them or assigning the meaning they personaly want it to have, then they most certainly are picking and choosing.
There is room for interpretation, but not unlimited room.
You missed the rest of Genesis.
"Hey, this is the first time I see an evolutionist wish another poster Merry Christmas. I'm not saying it has never happened; I'm just saying it's the first time I've seen it. That's all."
Let me retract that asap.
Actually on the other crevo long thread the other day another evolutionist DID wish me Merry Christimas.
Sorry! I'm getting forgetful.
I doubt you really want that. Coyoteman has some good creation myths to teach along side evolution.
I think that when students are taught many different beliefs, as in religious studies, the bright ones quickly figure out that there are lots of creation myths, and their own faith is no more, and no less believable than all those others. Many will decide to reject their faith, and become atheists.
If you really think about it, keeping religion out of science class, and leaving it in church, is a good thing for faith.
I think the supporters of evolution are smart enough to get their point without a lawsuit.
Maybe, maybe not. This isn't about how smart supporters of evolution are. It's about ignorance, religious fanaticism, and the quality of science education.
Also, to date, voters haven't been smart enough to keep left wing extremists from taking over many powerful institutions. Sometimes the courts are actually useful.
Can you provide a link to the article?
thaqts ok, we can go straight to the ITS A LIE part right away.
Genesis 1:1 is the truth.
that is what I am saying....
Not to weigh in here, but do we REALLY want the kids to ignore Intelligent Design like they more or less ignore Evolution??
Besides isn't ID more like a Theology class than a science class?
Indeed. All of science is taking the supernatural and redefining it as natural, thereby relegating God to the irrelevant backwashes of superstition.
From what I see, the pro-evolution crowd...a quote from an article in the thread:
Wouldn't the plaintiffs be the pro-evolution crowd?
At any rate, no matter who brought the suit, I don't think such a disagreement should be played out in federal court. Local school board decisions should be judged by the VOTERS. S'pose a federal judge or banc of judges (the Ninth Circus?) decided to order a school district to teach something disdainful? We ought to be appalled. The same thing seems to be happening here.
I can see this going to extreme measures: a school board decides to start the school day at 8:15 am instead of 8:30 am, and a group of angry parents sue in federal court over the time change. Ridiculous for a federal "Robed Master" to decide such things: keep it local.
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