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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: laxin4him

The mythology surrounding Atlantis. It is most likely that it is really an Isle in the Mediterranean Sea that was destroyed by volcanoes and sunk into the sea. Its also more than likely that it wasn't called Atlantis at the time, or that the name is from a native tongue. It is possible that it was on the Isle of Crete, although more possibilities go forth between the isles of Santorini to the submerged Isle of Spartel near the strait of Gibraltar. There are even possible locations in the Black Sea such as near Bosporus, Sinop, and Ancomah.

Thats a really popular piece of mythology. Similar to Troy.


1,201 posted on 12/20/2005 3:19:47 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: hail to the chief

LOL.


1,202 posted on 12/20/2005 3:19:55 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Kill 'em til they're dead! Then, kill 'em again!)
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To: Shadowfax; PatrickHenry

I realy think this text deserves immortalizing:

"...I was not attempting to raise the sign held by my street preacher to the level of a scientific theory. I was lowering the "theory" of evolution to the level of a religious doctrine. Actually, I wasn't trying to do that either. My bad. Evolution is at the level of a relgious doctrine. You're the one who's trying to elevate evolution to a standard that it does not merit - that of a serious scientific theory. ..."


1,203 posted on 12/20/2005 3:20:11 PM PST by From many - one.
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stream of unconsciousness placemarker


1,204 posted on 12/20/2005 3:21:04 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (so natural to mankind is intolerance in whatever they really care about - J S Mill)
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To: xzins
You want a link to prove that ID's criticism is that there isn't enough time? That's the whole point of Behe's math.

The more recent data are Behe's testimony in this case, where he acknowledged that evolution occurs, and ID is faith.

I've seen those calculations attempted before, and they make all kinds of wrong assumptions. They are based on pure randomness, which evolution is *not*.

There have been calculations on the possibility of randomly assembling an initial life form so that evolution can start. Again, the wrong assumption is that we know the minimum complexity for life to begin, and also the assumption is for DNA/RNA based life, which is not required.

You have a real link?

1,205 posted on 12/20/2005 3:21:04 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Dimensio; narby
Thanks to all of you who let me know the voters of Dover were able to handle this situation the way they saw fit.

I think this is the way to handle issues in schools...federal judges intervening and deciding curriculum is wrong.

1,206 posted on 12/20/2005 3:23:15 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: furball4paws

So the Human DNA chain is more "fit" as you claim. Bullcrap, fit is a term you're using as a synonym to complex. You're right, things that are fit survive, things that aren't don't. But things DO get more complex (DNA chains, multicellular organisms, brain patterns, intelligence quotient etc). The concept of fitness is the biggest crock of s^*t I've ever heard.


1,207 posted on 12/20/2005 3:23:33 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: eleni121
EVO stupid let me add.

How is it you spell ad hominem? I can't get it out of the spell checker.

1,208 posted on 12/20/2005 3:24:45 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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Creationist Meltdown Placemarker
1,209 posted on 12/20/2005 3:25:30 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Thanks to all of you who let me know the voters of Dover were able to handle this situation the way they saw fit.

The voters may not have voted the way they did if it weren't for the trial.

1,210 posted on 12/20/2005 3:26:22 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Good, now that teaching intellegent design has been rule an irrelevant science by a usurping judge, now we can get to the real issue of trying to teach that evolution is only an illogical speculation and conjecture.

Because science won't even consider there might be a Creator, not withstanding the incredible evidence we see every day, we can move on to showing how absolutely deceptive evolution really is, and stop all this smoke screen with intellegent design as a science.

1,211 posted on 12/20/2005 3:27:10 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: laxin4him
Could you give me some examples of mythology containing elements of hisorical truth? When I think of mythology I think of Zeus, Pegasus, and those types but I am not that familiar with the elements of truth in those stories so hopefully you can help me out.

The Trojan War was a real war, and the ruins of Troy were found where Homer said they would be found (at a time when most historians believed there never had been any such city). Yet that does not validate Homer's stories about Zeus and Apollo and their role in the fall of Troy.

1,212 posted on 12/20/2005 3:27:21 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Who said I was a creationist? Who said I didn't believe in evolution? What are doing, taking words out of my mouth? Huh, are you? Are you?


1,213 posted on 12/20/2005 3:27:38 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"The test of science is not how provable a theory is, but how reasonable it is."

Many thanks for demonstrating that you don't know jack about science or the scientific method.


1,214 posted on 12/20/2005 3:28:01 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: laxin4him

OK, I'm a bit rusty on my bible studies, but I don't remember the geneology in the new testament going back to Adam...
http://www.cforc.com/kjv/Matthew/index.html

1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
1:2 Abraham begat {snipping out the begats}
1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

If you are going to justify your beliefs based on biblical passages, at least you should get said passages right.


1,215 posted on 12/20/2005 3:28:05 PM PST by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
federal judges intervening and deciding curriculum is wrong.

Yeah, but the School Board was stupid, so I don't care. It turned out the way I wanted it.

I know that's evil of me, but I don't care.

1,216 posted on 12/20/2005 3:28:48 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe

I've already mentioned that the mutation is random, and since that's what drives the actor on whom selection is taking place, then that opens up selection to be seen as random.

Also, and not to get into the theology of it, but that which survives and that which dies sometimes has nothing to do with anything other than pure chance.

Living in New Orleans this past year was counter-productive, for example. Being in Sumatra during a tsunami had nothing to do with height or left-handedness, either.


1,217 posted on 12/20/2005 3:29:18 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dinsdale

Thanks for filling me in on what science is. Could you help me out on the scope of science. maybe just a little thought on the subject to enlighten those here who don't understand how science is used.


1,218 posted on 12/20/2005 3:29:39 PM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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To: andysandmikesmom
The intrusiveness of either viewpoint seems to be minimal, IMO. For someone to suggest that organized matter behaving according to predictable laws may be evidence of intelligent design is hardly the equivalent of, and hardly necessitates, some further expounding that amounts to a sermon.

To think that creationists are intent on turning the science classroom into a pulpit is absurd. The theory of evolution is not so intrusive, either. Evolutionists don't sermonize their audience and degrade them with all their theory implies. "See, you're nothing but a monkey's uncle."

By the way, love your last name...

Thanks. I tend to enjoy beer a great deal. One of the Creator's innumerable gifts, for which I give thanks.

1,219 posted on 12/20/2005 3:29:45 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Creationist Meltdown Placemarker

They are kind of coming unglued, aren't they?

1,220 posted on 12/20/2005 3:30:10 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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