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Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
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To: andysandmikesmom

Although Marx and Darwin may not have shared views directly, they do hold common ground inasmuch as both tended toward disuse of theistic considerations. The former employed force of law to make his point. The latter did not. That's presently up to those disciples of his who prefer to take naturalism to its logical conclusion, like Judge Jones. Darwin would most likely be considered a theistic evolutionist, hence Judge Jones would not want him in the science classroom. Neither would Marx.


1,161 posted on 12/20/2005 3:00:00 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Thatcherite

I'm trying to say that religiously, I do believe in Christ, and I think the use of Marx, Stalin, etc in the same sentence is a bit insulting. Marx and Stalin created a belief system that was used to enslave and kill millions. Christ came to save everyone. To some extent, Marx and Stalin knew what they were doing, so did Hitler. The Pharisees were misunderstood and feared their power, they too are like Hitler and Stalin, but for different reasons. The others, even Jesus had said they did not know what they were doing. He forgave those who betrayed him and those who sent him to the cross because they did not know what they were doing. So yeah, I guess I thought that they were saying that Stalin and Marx were the ones crucifying Christ, thats where the insult came from.


1,162 posted on 12/20/2005 3:00:08 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: benjibrowder
This was found in rock dating back 100,000,000 years, so the fossil is 100,000,000 million years!!! Is that not also circular reasoning?

Fossil's *are* rocks. What's your point?

1,163 posted on 12/20/2005 3:00:08 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: js1138

It does have a problem with natural selection in that it isn't fast enough for the available time.


1,164 posted on 12/20/2005 3:00:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: narby

Actually, you're close.

Natural selection is an organizing principle.

It simply isn't fast enough for the available time due to its randomness.


1,165 posted on 12/20/2005 3:02:06 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

"Natural selection is an organizing principle.

It simply isn't fast enough for the available time due to its randomness."

Natural selection is not random.


1,166 posted on 12/20/2005 3:02:46 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: narby

Okay, lets rephrase this, this fossil was found in a rock layer dating back 100,000,000 years, so this piece of rock is 100,000,000 years. Is that better, honeykins?


1,167 posted on 12/20/2005 3:03:26 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: narby
Fossil's *are* rocks.

Ghrrk...mmnngh....nnnnnnnggh!
1,168 posted on 12/20/2005 3:03:27 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: benjibrowder

/sarc intended


1,170 posted on 12/20/2005 3:04:36 PM PST by benjibrowder (The government (at all levels) should not be involved in the education business.)
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To: Baraonda
I have already read your speciation FAQ and it proves, to me, that I'm right - speciation has never been observed nor has it been proven occurring.

Of course, you won't actually explain why examples of "observed instances of speciation" aren't really instances of speciation. You'll just assert that it agrees with your claims even though it does not because you are a shameless fraud.
1,171 posted on 12/20/2005 3:04:51 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: narby
Is this a problem for you?

Should it be my problem when it is you who are contradicting yourself?

1,172 posted on 12/20/2005 3:04:54 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Grig

To reiterate, evolution and religion are not incompatible. Evolution may be incompatible with some religious views and beliefs, however. That is not the same thing.


1,173 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:10 PM PST by Paradox (Time to sharpen ole Occam's Razor.)
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To: Dimensio

"Fossil's *are* rocks."

Indeed, they are.


1,174 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:52 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

The mutation is random....therefore, the selection is premised on randomness.


1,175 posted on 12/20/2005 3:07:03 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: rootkidslim

...And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children
of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Exodus 3:14)

I AM is the name God gives to Moses. My construct
of God comes from the Holy Scripture. If you worship
idols (China House), then you are a Pagan and the
issue of Intelligent Design does not concern you.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them,(china houses)
nor serve them (idols): for I the LORD thy God [am] a
jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the
children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them
that hate me; (Exodus 20:5)

ONE GOD. ONE WAY. YAHWEY OR NO WAY!


1,176 posted on 12/20/2005 3:07:44 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: xzins
The major criticism is that there is not enough time to accomodate the vast complexity evident in the lifeforms all around us.

You've made that point several times. Care to provide a link?

1,177 posted on 12/20/2005 3:08:35 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

misanthrope. Duplicitous and opportunistic
......................................

His letters/life/ideology prove it. And his supporters - Stalin, Hitler, Marx plus EVOS here - too.


1,178 posted on 12/20/2005 3:08:51 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: xzins

"The mutation is random....therefore, the selection is premised on randomness."

The selection is NOT random though. Natural selection cannot be a random process. You are only including one part of the process. Natural selection is a TWO step process.


1,179 posted on 12/20/2005 3:09:09 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Ichneumon

"You never found where the existence of atoms is scientifically proven, either. That's because science doesn't deal in "proof", it deals with the theories that best fit all the available evidence."

I thought science dealt with proof and the reason for experiements are to prove a theory.

My point was that neither crowd can prove creation from nothing. You can't prove either way but what I find interesting is that you can't present ID as an alternative theory. Do we discount the many scientists who believe in ID and have evidence to support their theory? Since we are to continue to develop theories for the origin of the universe wouldn't it be right to present ID as another theory?


1,180 posted on 12/20/2005 3:09:09 PM PST by laxin4him (They will know by our love not our picket lines)
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