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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: ret_medic
Jesus Christ, how in the hell is someone supposed to believe that your posts are not the ramblings of an ignorant buffoon if you are wrong on the basic, first-grade level zoological fact that Chimpanzees are Apes, and are NOT FRIGGIN' MONKEYS??? Christ, this is basic stuff.

If you don't even know enough to know the difference between a monkey and an ape, then explaining why the article was wrong in evaluating what was actually done is really pointless, because you wouldn't care anyway, going by the precision of your zoology.

421 posted on 10/04/2005 7:58:05 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Dimensio
Only because you'll die of old age while trying to figure out all of the rules.

Which version?

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422 posted on 10/04/2005 7:58:21 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: WildHorseCrash

When you pray to Jesus...you should end with an "Amen".


423 posted on 10/04/2005 8:02:37 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: malakhi; Junior; Right Wing Professor; wallcrawlr
Ret_medic has left the building...
This account has been banned or suspended.

424 posted on 10/04/2005 8:07:00 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: WildHorseCrash; PatrickHenry

See post #424.


425 posted on 10/04/2005 8:08:07 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust, eh
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust


426 posted on 10/04/2005 8:09:19 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Ichneumon

He's going into the little black box.


427 posted on 10/04/2005 8:09:56 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Ichneumon

Darn, I guess he's just going to have to go back to being Nathan Zachary, then.


428 posted on 10/04/2005 8:10:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Ichneumon

sheesh


429 posted on 10/04/2005 8:12:41 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr

We do have an air of innocence about us don't we? We honestly think people want to know the truth. It can be so devastating to find out that adults can have such tight barriers in support of their ignorance.


430 posted on 10/04/2005 8:16:29 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: wallcrawlr

>>shrug<< I didn't, so I didn't.


431 posted on 10/04/2005 8:16:31 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Ichneumon; PatrickHenry
Ret_medic has left the building...

This account has been banned or suspended.
He'll be back. And if not him, one just like him. They ALWAYS come back.
432 posted on 10/04/2005 8:18:49 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: wallcrawlr

You think people should be able to post under multiple names?


433 posted on 10/04/2005 8:19:19 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo; general_re; js1138; wallcrawlr
Harrisburg, PA – Eighty-five scientists have filed an Amicus Brief in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial asking the Judge to “affirm the freedom of scientists to pursue scientific evidence wherever it may lead” and not limit research into the scientific theory of intelligent design. Not all the signers are proponents of intelligent design, but they do agree “that protecting the freedom to pursue scientific evidence for intelligent design stimulates the advance of scientific knowledge.”

Typical creationist claptrap.

So they are "asking the Judge to “affirm the freedom of scientists to pursue scientific evidence wherever it may lead” and not limit research into the scientific theory of intelligent design"? Good for them. But why are they wasting the judge's time asking him to "affirm a freedom" that is not being infringed, and is not at issue in this case? Why are they asking him to "not limit research into the scientific theory" when no one *is* limiting or proposing to limit such research?

Are they really that confused, or are they just grandstanding?

And what are they babbling about when they speak of "the scientific theory of intelligent design"? The last time I checked, there WASN'T any scientific theory of intelligent design. (Note, there has been a lot of bluster about intelligent design, but nothing which rises to the level of a "scientific theory".)

Maybe these guys should learn what the Kitzmiller v. Dover case is actually about before they waste everyone's time filing irrelevant briefs to the judge.

And maybe they should come up with some kind of "scientific theory of intelligent design" before they try to get a judge to make a statement about how an imaginary theory of that sort should be treated.

Creationiists are such drama queens...

434 posted on 10/04/2005 8:21:30 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: All

435 posted on 10/04/2005 8:22:57 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Allow me to translate - "if the court agrees that ID is unscientific junk, we'll never be able to get funded, especially with government money."


436 posted on 10/04/2005 8:24:08 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: js1138

You are one I am not wasting time with.

Everything I post you have some smart ass comment instead of simply trying to have simple discussion.


Do I think people should post under different names? What a stupid question. Of course not.

Youre like a 4 year old that I have to explain everything to you perfectly or you run off onto some tangent looking to nail someone to the wall. Go find another target bud...it aint going to be me.

< shaking the dust off >


437 posted on 10/04/2005 8:25:56 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Eighty-five scientists have filed an Amicus Brief in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial asking the Judge to "affirm the freedom of scientists to pursue scientific evidence wherever it may lead".

of course, that's not at all what the trial is about.

438 posted on 10/04/2005 8:26:11 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Ichneumon
That map is absolutely engrossing. And I'm not really sure why.
439 posted on 10/04/2005 8:28:11 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: VadeRetro; Ichneumon
My favorite "other" is "tonic" ...

Belch-Boosting Beverage.

440 posted on 10/04/2005 8:30:42 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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