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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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To: jennyp

Andrew is of the opinion that things are not worth knowing unless you can know tham right now. Biogenesis is not worth pursuing because it might take decades, or even centuries. In the meantime he can sit on the sidelines and snipe.

On a completely unrelated subject, the Japanese are inventing completely unexpected metal alloys, products no one thought possible. You might think this a bit ironic.


401 posted on 10/04/2005 6:32:07 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Ichneumon
Plus, he signed up today just to share these pearls of wisdom with us. Welcome, newbie!

I doubt if he's a newbie. He's almost certainly the troll who was banned yesterday.

402 posted on 10/04/2005 6:43:13 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Ichneumon

The generic name for soft drink is "coke" as in, "What kind of coke do you want?" "Get me a Dr Pepper, thanks."


403 posted on 10/04/2005 6:59:53 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ret_medic
ret_medic member since Oct 4, 2005.

So, which returning bannee are you?

404 posted on 10/04/2005 7:01:24 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Ichneumon
I just re-discovered that in the "Additional Information" section of The List-O-Links I've already got a link that leads to your flow-chart:

Humour. The laughable side of creationism.

405 posted on 10/04/2005 7:03:48 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: Ichneumon

Interesting. I wonder what accounts for the clusters of "soda" name use in eastern Wisconsin and southwest Illinois/eastern Missouri?


406 posted on 10/04/2005 7:08:48 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Junior
And once one discovers Traveller, there is no going back.

Only because you'll die of old age while trying to figure out all of the rules.
407 posted on 10/04/2005 7:16:43 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ret_medic
Dont let the evo welcoming committee bother you...


408 posted on 10/04/2005 7:21:52 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: ret_medic
So, you are a dinosaur! Well, that explains a few things. Set in your ways, close minded, bound and determined to prove the unprovable. I've seen many a good man crash and burn, rather than look at things from a different perspective. Sad really.

If you can't resist trolling, please try to be more creative and less obvious about it. Currently you're just being tedious.

409 posted on 10/04/2005 7:23:12 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: wallcrawlr

410 posted on 10/04/2005 7:28:27 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I think evolutionists are just afraid of discovering God, because then they will have to answer to him.

I think you give your little religious feelings too much credit. To those who are not brainwashed with your superstitious mindset, you saying that someone is "afraid of discovering God" is as amusing as you saying that someone is "afraid of discovering Gilgamesh" or "afraid of discovering Captain Ahab."

People believe in evolution because of the science. People like you tremble in fear when the thunder rolls because it means the gods are upset, blow up innocent people in buses in the hopes of a trip to paradise, and torture people who will not renounce their beliefs in favor of the particular superstition you favor. I'll take the science.

411 posted on 10/04/2005 7:30:55 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Ichneumon
You found their playbook! Must have been tough, pretending to be a brainwashed cretin to get into the seminar for the handout materials. Or did you just go through the dumpster behind Discovery Institute HQ in Seattle?
412 posted on 10/04/2005 7:31:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: js1138
I thought I was being flattering...this is how I actually see you all:


413 posted on 10/04/2005 7:36:43 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Ichneumon
My favorite "other" is "tonic," an apparent confusion of flavored, sugary water with carnival-show patent medicine. It used to be pretty common, especially among older people, when and where I was a kid.
414 posted on 10/04/2005 7:40:04 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: wallcrawlr; All
Back to Dover...

85 Scientists Join Together in Urging Court to Protect Academic Freedom and Not Limit Research into Intelligent Design Theory

Harrisburg, PA – Eighty-five scientists have filed an Amicus Brief in the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial asking the Judge to “affirm the freedom of scientists to pursue scientific evidence wherever it may lead” and not limit research into the scientific theory of intelligent design. Not all the signers are proponents of intelligent design, but they do agree “that protecting the freedom to pursue scientific evidence for intelligent design stimulates the advance of scientific knowledge.”

415 posted on 10/04/2005 7:42:50 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

"We don't like the consequences" is not generally grounds for getting courts to interpret the law your way.


417 posted on 10/04/2005 7:48:55 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: js1138

thats seriously not funny


418 posted on 10/04/2005 7:50:11 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Amici curiae are scientists who oppose any attempt to define the nature of science in a way that would limit their ability to follow the evidence wherever it may lead. Since the identification of intelligent causes is a well established scientific practice in fields such as forensic science, archaeology, and exobiology, Amici urge this Court to reject plaintiffs’ claim that the application of intelligent design to biology is unscientific. Any ruling that depends upon an outdated or inaccurate definition of science, or which attempts to define the boundaries of science, could hinder scientific progress.

Forensic science, archeology, and exobiology all search for evidence of human (or humanoid) activity. Has the Discovery Institute taken up the search for space aliens?

419 posted on 10/04/2005 7:50:26 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: wallcrawlr

And you are amusingly not serious.


420 posted on 10/04/2005 7:52:00 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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