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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: edsheppa

So humans exist to make the universe taste better to whomever is going to eat it?


281 posted on 10/03/2005 3:40:35 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: js1138

But does it mix well with vodka?


282 posted on 10/03/2005 3:44:14 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: BMCDA

That sounds about 50 IQ points higher than Hedy Lamarr.


283 posted on 10/03/2005 3:53:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
But she knew what she was doing when she changed it.
284 posted on 10/03/2005 3:54:45 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: BMCDA

That's probably why the great composer, Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbleeisen-bahnwagen-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nürnburger- bratwustle-gerspurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hundsfut-gumberaber-shönedanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm, changed his stage name to Fred.


285 posted on 10/03/2005 3:58:11 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Those chinese Snake things ( I think those are what you are thinking of) haven't changed for centuries either. They were introducted to some ponds here in ND and on Ohio and are a pest fish because they do the same thing that walking catfish fish does, cross from pond to pond. The bad thing about them is that they eat all the other fish and take over the pond. then they go to the next. That's why they are banned here. they don't have lungs or any feet, they can go about two miles before they die I believe. They drained ponds around here to try kill them off, fearing that they would get into a major river.

"I've had a catfish live for 36 hours out of the water. I forgot about it and was suprized to find it still alive. A tough fish isn't evidence of evolution though.

I take it that the way biologists (ichthyologists) check for lungs or float bladders by chasing fish across land to see how long they survive? I thought they dissected the fish and analyzed what they found within it before making claims.

Oh, btw, do the snakeheads die of asphyxiation or dehydration.

Is it necessary for a transitional organism to have fully developed lungs that allow it to survive totally on the oxygen from the air or should it have partially effective lungs that allow it to survive for a limited time out of water?

286 posted on 10/03/2005 3:59:03 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Dimensio

That's a bit overly literal. Anyway, your comment brought it to mind and I thought it an interesting twist.


287 posted on 10/03/2005 3:59:09 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: VadeRetro

Hey, she liked colors and she was an actress. What's to invent?


288 posted on 10/03/2005 4:00:50 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Sorry, bad habit of mine. I admonish all my countrymen who have a tendency to do so, not to overgeneralize about Americans. It's OK to attack the policies of a government, but not the general population. IMHO.


289 posted on 10/03/2005 4:11:54 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp; Nathan Zachary
Abiogenesis, or life from non-life postulates that early life started with self-replicating chemicals, something we have observed,

Which ones?

290 posted on 10/03/2005 4:13:22 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: wallcrawlr
He epitomizes the attitude and tactics of a number of creo posters on these threads (most of whom have eventually been banned). You, on the other hand, epitomize a second type of creationist -- the "word lawyer."

One of these days I'm going to record the various kinds of arguments/posters I've come across on these threads.

291 posted on 10/03/2005 4:20:00 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: malakhi

actually the main stream consensus view is that we were created, and did not evolve


292 posted on 10/03/2005 4:24:28 PM PDT by Right in Wisconsin (Get Off of Stupid!!! (General Honore))
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To: Junior
One of these days I'm going to record the various kinds of arguments/posters I've come across on these threads.

I attempted something like that, a few years ago. I think it's buried in one of your early compendiums (or compendia).

293 posted on 10/03/2005 4:26:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: Right in Wisconsin

"actually the main stream consensus view is that we were created, and did not evolve"

Not among people who actually study science. Most people don't know what a molecule is either.


294 posted on 10/03/2005 4:34:55 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
From this Fox public opinion poll:

"Do you personally believe in the existence of each of the following? . . . "
UFOs 34%
Ghosts 34%
Astrology 29%
Reincarnation 25%
Witches 24%

It's down near the bottom. To find it, search on "ghosts."

295 posted on 10/03/2005 4:43:56 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Most people don't know what a molecule is either.

And do the ones that know.. truly know? I say not.

Wolf
296 posted on 10/03/2005 4:48:25 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I find it interesting that only one evolutionist bothered to reply to your most detailed post; and it wasn't very coherent.

Seems to me that if you were wrong in your citations of Darwin, Gould, and others; they would have pointed it out.


297 posted on 10/03/2005 4:49:24 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Not among people who actually study science. Most people don't know what a molecule is either.

The ironic thing is, that unless we were created and our creator reveals itself, we will never really know who is right.
298 posted on 10/03/2005 4:50:12 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Right Wing Professor
LOL! Careful, your multiple personality disorder is showing.

Which one?

Wolf
299 posted on 10/03/2005 4:50:30 PM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Right in Wisconsin
actually the main stream consensus view is that we were created, and did not evolve

Actually, I believe the mainstream consensus is that you were born from parents in an evolving population.

300 posted on 10/03/2005 4:54:41 PM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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