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America’s Descent Into the Third World
Chronicles Magazine ^ | Monday, July 25, 2005 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 07/27/2005 6:21:50 AM PDT by A. Pole

The June payroll jobs report did not receive much attention due to the July 4 holiday, but the depressing 21st century job performance of the U.S. economy continues unabated.

Only 144,000 private sector jobs were created, each one of which was in domestic services.

Fifty-six thousand jobs were created in professional and business services, about half of which are in administrative and waste services.

Thirty-eight thousand jobs were created in education and health services, almost all of which are in health care and social assistance.

Nineteen thousand jobs were created in leisure and hospitality, almost all of which are waitresses and bartenders.

Membership associations and organizations created 10,000 jobs, and repair and maintenance created 4,000 jobs.

Financial activities created 16,000 jobs.

This most certainly is not the labor market profile of a First World country, much less a superpower.

Where are the jobs for this year’s crop of engineering and science graduates?

U.S. manufacturing lost another 24,000 jobs in June. A country that doesn’t manufacture doesn’t need many engineers. And the few engineering jobs available go to foreigners.

Readers have sent me employment listings from U.S. software development firms. The listings are discriminatory against American citizens. One ad from a company in New Jersey that is a developer for many companies, including Oracle, specifies that the applicant must have a TN visa.

A TN or Trade NAFTA visa is what is given to Mexicans and Canadians who are willing to work in the United States at below prevailing wages.

Another ad from a software consulting company based in Omaha, Neb., specifies it wants software engineers who are H-1B transferees. What this means is that the firm is advertising for foreigners already in the United States who have H-1B work visas.

The reason the U.S. firms specify that they have employment opportunities only for foreigners who hold work visas is because the foreigners will work for less than the prevailing U.S. salary.

Gentle reader, when you read allegations that there is a shortage of engineers in America, necessitating the importation of foreigners to do the work, you are reading a bald-faced lie. If there were a shortage of American engineers, employers would not word their job listings to read that no American need apply and that they are offering jobs only to foreigners holding work visas.

What kind of country gives preference to foreigners over its own engineering graduates?

What kind of country destroys the job market for its own citizens?

How much longer will parents shell out $100,000 for a college education for a son or daughter who ends up employed as a bartender, waitress or temp?


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To: neutronsgalore

Are you REALLY suggesting that all of those "blue-collar" workers who sent their kids to college to enable those kids to get "white-collar" jobs were WRONG?

If so, I gather you don't have much faith in the American Dream.

And would you please state just how many new battleships it will take to keep every single drugged-up loser from detonating himself on a commuter bus?

I'd rather not gear up to fight a 1950's style war in the 21st Century.

But you are free to disagree.



421 posted on 07/27/2005 9:55:51 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Dat Mon
"Stuff like TAX REFORM....REAL TAX REFORM...REGULATION REFORM...TORT AND LIABLILITY REFORM...WHERE IS IT?"

I think you really hit-it-on-the-head with areas where there is substantial opportunity to create a better environment for everybody. The hairball of a tax code that we operate under has experienced 50 years of evolution under conditions where the U.S. has been the nearly undisputed king of the economic mountain. Now the rest of the world is catching up....fast in some cases.

What are we going to do about it? Based on the reactions of the feather-bedding inside-the-beltway crowd, the answer seems to be "Do as little as I can get-away-with to squeak-by in the next election".

One unfortunate aspect of the psychology of large crowds is that in many cases they have to experience a "sputnik-like" event before they get the message. Some large organizations have managed to survive these events and prosper (Harley Davidson), many have not (Soviet Union, Eastern Airlines), and some continue on as mere shadows of their former selves (Spain, Hewlett-Packard (HP), AT&T).
422 posted on 07/27/2005 9:56:31 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: Paul Ross

No girl knows how to balance the check book.


423 posted on 07/28/2005 4:02:21 AM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: pfony1
Raw numbers don't adjust for inflation. Everything being denominated in increasingly less-valuable dollars....

If inflation is currently around 5.7% by just using the OFFICIAL method of counting the CPI prior to Bill Xlinton's "Adjustments" which understate it, then all production has to be deflated by that amount.

Raw numbers aren't. If these numbers are adjusted accurately, then fine. But if not, and don't use the same baseline...honest... methodology as when Reagan was President, then they need to be further deflated by that difference.

424 posted on 07/28/2005 5:37:50 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Paul Ross

Top notch post, Paul.


425 posted on 07/28/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: Black Tooth
"Yes, many of those jobs from the building boom"[...] Ending? Where specifically?

No boom lasts for ever (this particular one is fed by the artificially cheap credit) . Maybe drug trade is the exception (on condition that it is illegal, otherwise it would go bust too).

426 posted on 07/28/2005 5:42:21 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: pfony1
And last month's national sales figures show NO sign of a slowing real estate market.

If it keeps going, in a few years we all will work in construction.

427 posted on 07/28/2005 5:44:02 AM PDT by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: pfony1
Is it time to change your handle to "Iconbfooled"?

I like mine, and of course your's is perfect. We are the ONLY first world nation that has bought in on this free traitor craziness!

Which of these is as free trade nuts as we. Japan, China, Korea, any EU country, Scandinavia?

Put up or shut up.

428 posted on 07/28/2005 5:48:01 AM PDT by iconoclast ( "Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive")
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To: A. Pole
And also key in the Constitution is the preamble, which ponits to the whole reason for at all: to "Form a more perfect Union"!

The phoney free traders wish to destroy the union. They regard union as a insufferable abridgement of their freedom. Probably a bunch of druggies.

429 posted on 07/28/2005 5:49:25 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Modernman

Guess you have no answer to the China problem whatsoever...which is bleeding our industrial base away.


430 posted on 07/28/2005 6:31:46 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Maria S
I come in contact with both foreign and American students...I'd hire the foreign one over the American every time.

All the more reason to stop the H1-B visa program NOW. I really hate that.

431 posted on 07/28/2005 6:34:41 AM PDT by austinite
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To: pfony1
With all due respect, are you qualified to write modern software? Are you qualified to design faster and smaller computer chips? Are you qualified to create AND MAINTAIN web-sites for the computer-illiterate?

I have four 7-foot tall books shelves in my home that carry computer books that have been purchased over a thirty year period. There are recent offerings on those shelves. I have read them, and my skills are current.

I am an embedded firmware engineer, and work closely with EEs to make devices like medical instrumentation, soil/concrete testing apparatus, and high-speed data loggers. I specify and use the latest uPs and peripherals. One cannot stay in this industry and fail to keep current.

The CEOs are getting rid of Americans solely to increase the apparent profit on the bottom line. This has nothing to do with skills. The H1Bs they hire are typically "greenhorns" that write really terrible code.

I don't do web pages. This is not really "programming", it is certainly not technical.

432 posted on 07/28/2005 6:41:23 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: montag813
I wouldn't lean on your econ major so much since you are so wrong. You don't understand industrial hiring. Actually, if there were going to be "Summer hires" for manufacturing, most of them would be in May, June and July. So Dr. Roberts is correct. We have a problem. To pretend it isn't so is anti-empirical and unscientific. While, like many supply siders he is a political vagabond, historically he has been with us far more than against us. And the evidence is that GWB is not an economic conservatives. Quite the contrary. Hence, Roberts deserves far more respect from any one here who purports to be a conservative. His resume is rather better than most of us:

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Roberts Paul Craig Roberts is the John M. Olin fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, research fellow at the Independent Institute and senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. A former editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal, he writes a political commentary column for Creators Syndicate. He also writes a monthly economics column for Investors Business Daily . In 1992, he received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993, he was ranked as one of the top seven journalists by the Forbes Media Guide .

He was distinguished fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996. From 1982 through 1993, he held the William E. Simon chair in political economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. From 1981 to 1982, he served as assistant secretary of the Treasury for economic policy. President Reagan and Treasury Secretary Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.

In 1987, the French government recognized him as "the artisan of a renewal in economic science and policy after half a century of state interventionism" and inducted him into the Legion of Honor.

Dr. Roberts' latest book, co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, is The Tyranny of Good Intentions: How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice (2000, Prima Publishing). The New Colorline: How Quotas and Privilege Destroy Democracy, also co-authored with Lawrence Stratton, was published by Regnery in October 1995. Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, co-authored with Karen LaFollette, was published by the Cato Institute in 1990. His book, The Supply-Side Revolution, was published by Harvard University Press in 1984. Widely reviewed and favorably received, the book was praised by Forbes as "a timely masterpiece that will have real impact on economic thinking in the years ahead." He is the author of Alienation and the Soviet Economy, published in 1971 and republished in 1990, and Marx's Theory of Exchange, Alienation, and Crisis, published in 1973 and republished in 1983.

Roberts has held numerous academic appointments and has published many articles in journals of scholarship, including the Journal of Political Economy, Oxford Economic Papers, Journal of Law and Economics, Studies in Banking and Finance, Journal of Monetary Economics, Public Finance Quarterly, Public Choice, Classica et Mediaevalia, Ethics, Slavic Review, Soviet Studies, Rivista Di Politica Economica, and Zeitschrift Fur Wirtschafspolitik. He has contributed to Commentary, The Public Interest, Harper's, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Fortune, Investor's Business Daily, London Times, Financial Times, The Spectator, The Times Literary Supplement, IL Sole 24 Ore, Le Figaro, Liberation and The Nihon Keizai Shimbun. He has testified before committees of Congress on over 30 occasions.

Dr. Roberts was educated at the Georgia Institute of Technology, the University of Virginia, the University of California at Berkeley and Oxford University, where he was a member of Merton College.


433 posted on 07/28/2005 6:44:36 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: pfony1
Do you have anything to support your claim that a US made woodworking router costs $7.28 to make?

A few years ago I had reason to visit a manufacturing plant in Pickins, SC. (I was making a call to find a bug in a telephone PBX.) While there, the CFO took me on a plant tour. While on that tour I spotted the router that I purchased and use. When I indicated thusly, the CFO asked what I paid for the router. After I told him, he whistled, then said, "My God, more than a 1000% markup. We make them for $7.28 each including parts, labor, and engineering amortization".

Do you have a reason to think I am less than truthful about all of this? I am an American who is anxious to see America stay strong even after I am dead and gone. What possible justification can you have for disposing of experienced American talent?

434 posted on 07/28/2005 6:47:03 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: A. Pole

We are all witnessing America on the downside of the economic bell curve.


435 posted on 07/28/2005 6:54:19 AM PDT by doc
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To: pfony1
I see that the good news about Boeing's order-book has eluded you. Have you considered taking a course in "Anger Management"?

A'hem, would you know good news if it hit you in the back side with a two-by-four?

The Boeing order book is improved...which if you actually read what I said, you would understand I implied with the 787 discussion. That is partly good news. We are preserving the COMPANY. But at what cost?

We continue to hemhorrage baseline U.S. aerospace industrial ABILITY. Speaking of taking courses, just what is your problem?

I have observed that those indoctrinated with the religion of absolutist unilateral unprotected trade (which is NOT what Adam Smith taught) totally fail to comprehend much of what's going on.

Your snide attack prompts one question: Do you even care about our country?

436 posted on 07/28/2005 7:21:10 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: HungarianGypsy

No. We still have a government which will give away OUR last dime. Just so long as it doesn't come out of their pockets. One almost surmises they have their Golden Parachutes... in foreign-denominated Swiss bank accounts.


437 posted on 07/28/2005 7:33:00 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: GingisK
I don't do web pages. This is not really "programming", it is certainly not technical.

Hoooyaaa!

He boasted in ignorance, and now he's Roasted and Toasted!

Semper Fi!

438 posted on 07/28/2005 7:45:41 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: durasell
The only responsibility a CEO has is to the owners of the company, the stockholders. If they can do something legal that will increase value and/or profits, then they would be denying their responsibility if they didn't do it.

This statement is so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin.

439 posted on 07/28/2005 7:53:08 AM PDT by austinite
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To: durasell
A huge percentage of our economy now relies on keeping the housing boom going. Unfortunately this is -- ending.

Ending? Where specifically?

In the secondary markets where home sales have slowed. Then in the high dollar markets. It's a bubble, so it ends in a serious fashion when enough people say, "What the..." simultaneously.

You think home sales stay the same all year long?

In my area, RE is not slowing and it's the biggest sellers market in history.

Tell you what. You dive in the stock market, I'll stay in RE. No problemo amigo.

440 posted on 07/28/2005 8:46:02 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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