Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Online TV Show Links
Shortcuts...
PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network
Show/Interview Transcripts
Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005
Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005
Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005
Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005
Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005
Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005
Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005
Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005
Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005
'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE
Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)
This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.
If you got to Calgary you were only about a 10 hour drive from me!! LOL I hope you had a good time.
LOL
That's right cases are not bungled in Aruba, just(F'd Up) from day one. Who is that fool trying to fool? Trapperbird is so full of monkey dung it is pathetic. NSNR
WTH? Just what did he think the search teams were looking for? An injured person? What a liar.
sw
If we weren't in the Back room we would be "bleeped" for using "bleepin" words. We're in the right place today :)<psw
Analysis by Dan Riehl
More confusion as regards the on going investigation in the Natalee Holloway disappearance would be nothing new. Now, with headlines blaring that the three suspects still in detention have been charged with murder; it might be best to wait and see what type of clarifying statements may follow.
Weeks ago, as reported here, murder was suggested as a potential charge against the suspects in this confounding case. To be more clear, "murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence."
As America has already learned, significant differences accross systems of justice and language translation has already caused tremendous confusion in this investigation.
What is know is that politics are as much a part of this now as anything else and the boys are heading to court on Monday so a judge can rule on the legality of their being detained for another sixty days while the investigation continues.
Were the three boys to simply walk away on Monday as a result of a lack of evidence, it would be a public relations nightmare for Aruba. Headlines blaring "Suspects Charged With Murder" the weekend preceding that hearing might do more to ensure their continued detention than any evidence the prosecution is prepared to present at this time.
While I too would like some clarification of Dutch statues relevant to this matter, it's my present understanding that no one can be formally charged with murder unless and until the prosecution presents its case in open court. As of now, and perhaps not until Monday afternoon, if then, that has not happened.
Hopefully this information will be clarified by authorities, or educated on lookers in the meantime.
Update: According to all known previous reports, this case was stalled and possibly lacking in significant evidence. Word on the ground from multiple sources was that the possibility existed that the three suspects could actually be released on Monday. Given what was known only hours ago, a confession, or one or more of the suspects being willing to testify against another, or others, looked like it might be the only hope for prosecutors. We also know that a certain amount of psychological gamesmanship has already been applied in this case through the brief detention of Joran's Father, Paul(us) v d Sloot. What better way to try and get one or more of three boys talking than to have murder charges in the headlines just two days before they go back to court.
Dan Riehl blogs at Riehl World View.
Underwater mines?
Yo, Dan Riehl, I'll wait for Greta's report tonight.....thankyouverymuch.
All the pontificating in the world will not cause POTUS to back away from his choice(s). We're in for a fight, regardless. Like you, I am tuning out the rabble until POTUS announces his choice.
Some fools will always fall for the Aruban bane of the hedonistic lifestyle. Lessons learned are often ignored and catastropic consequences lie in wait Poor Natalee(innocent) is a victim of this false Utopia and all it represents.
Natalee should have remembered these words," You can't see the demons eyes till they come calling." I know being drugged permits very poor vision which affected her mentally/physically.
Well my family and I will never venture to (Arubanana) Only the USA wii receive my vacation dollars. Show me a better country. NSNR
Ditto -- if anything, he has just described statergery and we're already ahead of him on that.
It's AP's story and if they're wrong and the 3 are not held over on Monday, there will be an outrage from this country, the likes of which are heretofore, unseen.
The link to the chat said the topic didn't exist,,
Martin Savage is stating that it is the hope that they are not released but no one knows for sure.
Thank you....I knew I recognized his name and googled him. I think he posted on the CTV site during the Laci saga. Someone said he did, but I can't remember who! I'm losing my mind.......:-(
I would think that, on an island as small as Aruba, there is only one large, extended family in charge (Mansurs, Croes, Curiels, etc). And their must be a patriarch (there always is...it isn't called "organized crime" for nuttin").
And, I can imagine the patriarch is thinking, "this missing girl mystery is gonna cost ME a bundle". The patriarch may know what has happened to Nat or may not...but he knows how to find out.
Beth (or the FBI or the CIA or Mark Fuhrman or Greta) needs to very politely seek a meeting with this "person of influence" (purely out of respect of course) and ask him..."what can we do to bring this thing to a conclusion...it is bad for the island and it is bad for us (Nat's family and friends). Can't you please help or, at the very least, please tell us what we can do to help bring it to a conclusion.
The two players here, Beth and the patriarch, have common goals. To end this circus.
If anyone can make the VDS's talk, he can. And I am sure he is p!ssed about this thing. The VDS's are dead-men-walking anyway, for bringing all this heat to the island.
Beth needs to seek a solution by going to the top.
Jossy Mansur can arrange a meeting, or serve as an intermediary.
bookmark
Actually (Dead Kennedy) would be very befitting speaking from the podium at a AA meeting. Hi!! My name is Dead and I am a murderer, Uhh I mean alcoholic!!!!NSNR
Well, although Riehl is not one of my favorite sources, I would have to say he is not the one that has jump the gun and reported this misinformation.
Only 10 hours! dang....I could've dropped by!
I liked Calgary. Loved Glacier and Waterton Lakes. Quebec City and Montreal.....I can say I was there. lol
Shame on the Arubans for treating the Twittys like they are outsiders in this case. Shame on them.
Just heard Beth Twitty on Abrams, and it's the first time I have heard her break down in tears while speaking. I am nauseous.
We need to pray for her and pray she gets off that island with what sanity she has left.
sw
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