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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4
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| 6/30/05
| freepers
Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative
Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts
Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts
Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts
Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts
Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts
Aruba Info...
Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Hotel Pictures -
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)
Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1
Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg
Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
Online TV Show Links
Shortcuts...
PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network
Show/Interview Transcripts
Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005
Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005
Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005
Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005
Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005
Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005
Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005
Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005
Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005
'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
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I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
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To: TexKat
Interesting,,seems I read she was seen with someone at dinner, a dark man and a white woman.
Very interesting.
To: truthluva; All
some one may have brought this article over to this thread already ... from your posting the link on "Claudia" ... they desperately want to find their daughter.
It has many similarities to Natalie in regard to cover up and incompetence by the local police.
an interesting read
this article appeared in the Scotsman
At this time of the year
the breathtaking Seven Mile Beach near the resort town of Negril on Jamaicas southwest edge will be filled with winter-fleeing tourists soaking up the welcome sun.
But the beach towns famous golden sands are now the centre of a strange mystery which hangs over the whole area like a dark cloud.
At the end of May last year an attractive 29 year-old Manhattan-based woman named Claudia Kirschhoch quite literally vanished off the face of the earth from this stretch of coastline. To date, despite an energetic police hunt, an unprecedented FBI investigation, wide media appeals and a vigorous campaign organised and carried out by her US-based family, Claudias whereabouts have never been discovered.
What is known is that Claudia was staying at one of the all-inclusive resorts which stretch along the sand, in this case Beaches, and that she probably vanished at some point during the day between the dates of May 27th and June 1st. What little details there are seem simply random and odd: she was not robbed - none of her possessions in her room were disturbed; nor she does not fit the case pattern of the type of individual who would walk-out on her old life in search of a new one; although the police suspect some witnesses may know more than theyre saying, evidence of an actual crime is scant; and, if the worst imaginable thing has happened shes been the victim of a terrible murder then its unusual that her body has never turned up.
It would seem, at first glance, as if Claudia Kirschhoch has simply melted into the hazy afternoon thin-air of a Caribbean summers day.
The strangest twist in this case is the nature of Claudias visit to Jamaica: she was no lonesome late twenty-something girl having a Sex and the City weekend jaunt to the Caribbean to escape from the perceived stresses of Manhattan life. On the contrary, she was as one friend commented, definitely: not in a party-mode: she was in a professional mode. That profession, ironically, was the travel-business: Claudia Kirschhoch was an experienced editor/writer with the world-famous New York-based Frommers travel guide read by 7 millions people annually worldwide. She was in Jamaica by default, not by choice. A planned press-trip to Cuba had fallen through at the 11th hour so shed ended up marooned in a strange country until a flight back to the States could be organised.
Her parents welcome home message on her answering machine on Friday June 2nd never reached Claudias ears.
She came by this opportunity to go to Cuba through someone else
explains Fred Kirschhoch, Claudias 58 year-old father, she wasnt originally offered the trip.
I meet Fred and his wife Mary Anne Kirschhoch in their New Jersey hometown of Morristown. Its a quiet, discreetly affluent, typically upper-middle class American neighbourhood. Claudia attended an all-girls school in Morristown before leaving for Virginia to study Political Science at the states prestigious Washington & Lee University. Lately, shed had lived in the spacious family home until the beginning of 2000 - then she moved into her new apartment near Manhattan where Frommers was based. New York city is about an hour away from the family home.
Then they offered the trip to Claudia. So she was all excited and she presented it to her boss, at Frommers the Travel Guide, and they were very excited because they dont have a book on Cuba and they figured that Cuba will the up and coming place
Across the room sits Claudia mother Mary Anne, who bears a resemblance in dark attractive looks and petite build to her daughter.
Claudia was dispatched to Cuba to research the new tourist attractions for her company.
Her journey began on Wednesday, May 24th 2000 at JFK airport. She flew from New York to Montego Bay on Air Jamaica. The plan was for Claudia and other press members to change planes in Montego Bay, then continue to Cuba where they would stay in a new Sandals resort.
America at this time was gripped by the fate of the young Cuban Elian Gonzalez who had been snatched from relatives in Miami during an infamous raid by the FBI. The incident and subsequent decision to send him back to Cuba caused chaos within the whole exiled US-based anti-Castro Cuban community. Cuba, in contrast, rejoiced in state-led celebrations. US-Cuba relations froze over. Management at Air Jamaica and Sandals tourism empire owned by one man, white-native Gordon Butch Stewart, the richest and arguably most influential man in Jamaica decided it was the wrong time to send members of the press to Cuba.
This was a blow to Claudia who was settling into her role at Frommers and whod worked hard in the weeks prior to the trip researching various aspects of Cuba she wanted to explore. Claudia was a serious-minded professional and she regarded the trip as strictly business. One of the things she was worried about was she wanted to make sure she had a long skirt, she figured they were still back in the fifties in their culture, and she didnt want to be standing out as an American
her mother explains sadly.
Jamaica Air officials having interests in both the safety of their guests and the image of their company told Claudia and her colleagues they were simply not going to Cuba. Within that group of four a couple rebelled and insisted a flight be arranged by whatever means within the next day or so. Claudia however, and a 63 year-old New York-based veteran freelancer shed met named Tania Grossinger, faced with no option, had to stay for a time in Jamaica before returning to the USA.
On hearing she was not going to Cuba Claudia characteristically called and updated her parents. Ironically they expressed relief their daughter wasnt going to volatile Communist Cuba.
The journalists were booked into hotels in Montego Bay for the night. Busy summer schedules meant flights back to the States werent immediately available. They were offered free accommodation at an all-inclusive resort in the beach town of Negril until plans could be made. Tania Grossinger however, managed to change her plans and get a flight back to New York on Saturday - only 48 hours away. Later itd emerge arrangements were made for Claudia to return to the USA on Monday 29th but these were not relayed to her parents who still expected her to return, as originally planned, on Thursday, June 1st.
Until those Saturday and Monday flights arrived, the two women would have time to kill in Negril.
Claudia was well travelled. Her family went regularly to Europe and shed lived for a period in Paris. Her family had faith in her judgement and abilities. At the very least they knew shed glanced at her employers own travel guide to: It states - Jamaica can be a tranquil and intriguing island, but theres no denying that its plagued by crime and drugs. But many visitors are unaffected: theyre escorted from the airport grounds and to their hotel grounds and venture out only on expensive organised tours
Those who want to see the real Jamaica, or at least see the island in greater depth should be prepared for some hassle
Should you go? By all means, yes. Be prudent and cautious, just as if you were visiting New York, Miami or Los Angeles.
In theory, an all-inclusive resort in one of the better locations in Jamaica should have posed no threat to a well-travelled, streetwise woman from New York. But it did and within two days shed vanish.
The grim truths underneath the sunny Jamaican brochures may go some way in explaining why this disappearance occurred and why its investigation has been controversial.
Journalists like Claudia Kirschhoch are normally well looked after on such press trips. Thats the point; theyre cared for so theyll write flattering articles.
The Sandals chain is worth US$250m and have swept the boards in travel industry award. Its not hard to see why. I stayed in Sandals, Negril briefly in 1999. Like other journalists I was extremely well taken care of during my 72-hour stay. The organisational abilities of the chain were awesome. All standards were high. The complaints I had werent original: Sandals is a couples-only chain, often for on-site weddings, so the place often has a Stepford-Wives feels to it; and it also felt weird, even briefly, to be confined to a fancy compound, not my personal first-choice destination. My stay at the Sandals otherwise uneventful and I interviewed its owner Butch Stewart who I found to be charming and full of cheery salesman-bombast in a Richard Branson a friend of his unsurprisingly kind of way.
What was apparent however and must have occurred to Claudia Kirschhoch too was that the rumours of the enclosed nature of these resorts are indeed very true. They felt claustrophobic. You sensed you were being protected. Claudia would have felt this.
And Jamaicas fortunes have, to say the least, looked rosier than they did in the summer of 2000 when she and her colleagues arrived. At that point over 570 murders had been committed most admittedly in the Kingston area but still a frightening figure. By the end of the year it would rise further.
Literal crime meltdowns have occurred regularly in Jamaica in the very recent past. There were problems immediately after my trip in 1999. Army and police unites were deployed on the streets. One senior Jamaican tourism insider confided he fully expected imminent social and economic breakdown and that the police wouldnt have stand a chance in the ensuing chaos: I got the impression hed already organised the bank account and getaway if this occurred. I was also given a very fast tour of some of the worst inner-city drug gang-run areas of Kingston in the weeks prior to this explosion. Despite reassurances from my host the palpable tension reminded me of the dark mood preceding Northern Irelands marching season.
So for most tourists, from the moment that you arrive until the moment you leave you are living in a false, though comfortable paradise. Butch Stewarts wallet benefits from this set-up since its been stated that two-thirds of the money flowing in and out of Jamaica has a connection to one of his business empires. Stewart of course would prefer the streets to be safer since it would mean more tourists and an easier life. High crime directly and indirectly threatens his financial dealings. Butch Stewart simply characterised the current state of the country, in relation to violence as: A disaster
gun-crime and tourism mix together as oil and water
Last August, after an Air Jamaica ticket office was robbed at gunpoint in Montego Bay, Stewart blew his top. Using his power, he warned that hed take his business elsewhere if things didnt improve politically and in terms of security for residents and visitors. This is dangerous talk from the man who single-handedly saved the Jamaican economy in 1992 by lodging US$1m in the bank at a time when every else was withdrawing theirs; he also found US$4.7m in 1997 to sponsor the West Indian cricket team; and spent US$14m bailing out and regenerating the national airline which he still owns 47% controlling stake in. Stewart condemned the recent rising crime and publicly asked for outside help e.g. from the USA to control crime. In percentage terms the Jamaican gun-crime rate five times higher than the USAs. One Jamaican newspaper commented: Any country that is not at war, that has no declared terrorist organisation, that has no insurrectionist movement but has [so many] of its citizens murdered
has a major problem.
Even the bullet-proof vest wearing Jamaican cops are scared. A Washington DC-based research group recently produced a corporate-commissioned report which stopped just short of hinting that the Jamaican police force might be better off being disbanded and reorganised. The force is undermanned and poorly equipped. Their technical skills are marginal. Corruption is rife. (I was told that the force were given 100 new police cars in 1998 30 vanished overnight). Crime prevention was non-existent. The courts were disastrous. Community trust didnt exist. Attempts at improvement highlight their ineptitude: For the first time ever the police have established a national Missing Persons Bureau. Hundreds of reports of missing persons literally went unfilled nationally since as far back as 1995. About 1100 cases are recorded: but even thats uncertain since, according to the Police Commissioner Francis Forbes strange claim while in the USA asking for help that, some people genuinely want to be missing
He did not say was that bodies occasionally turn up in the hills of Plantation heights and Ferry, St. Catherine bodies which often have no identity, nor anxious relatives claiming them.
Against this backdrop Claudia Kirschhoch arrived in the Butch Stewart-owned Beaches resort in Negril around noon on Thursday, May 25th. Her older colleague Tania Grossinger accompanied her.
Beaches Negril is an impressive resort a sister to Sandals which caters to couples and is located a mile or two along the coast - and its designed exclusively for families and to a lesser extent, singles.
Both of these Stewart operations are also a world away in atmosphere from nearby resorts like Hedonism which also share Seven Mile Beach: they encourage the booze-and-sex free-for-all, Toga-party, pseudo-orgy swinging scene so-beloved of recent late-night British network TV factual series. Guests at the Stewart resorts normally dont veer off their own beaches they dont need to. But it is possible. To walk through to somewhere like Hedonism guests have to sign out of one beach and into another the process is reversed on the return journey. Tourists are meant to feel safe with such safeguards. On my first night in Sandals Negril however, I was offered both hard and soft drugs. Security personnel I reported this to stated it was a regular and difficult problem: the dealer whod approached me had apparently used a boat.
Thats the atmosphere both pleasant and unpredictable Claudia walked into when she and Tania arrived at Beaches.
Later that night they went to one of the beach bars inside the compund. The all-inclusive deal means all drinks are free. Staff wear Dont Tip Me badges on their chests. No cash is in sight. The atmosphere becomes unreal, since normal limits dont seem to apply, and sterile theres no money, theres no temptation for pilfering making guests feel as though theyve stepped into a strange cashless, limitless scene from Fantasy Island.
Interviews with Tania later established they watched an American basketball game on TV at the bar. They stayed for about three hours. During that time Claudia chatted briefly to a local 16 year-old who was setting up some entertainment with his family. He later told her family she was interested in tracing old reggae records. Claudia also told another American tourist at the bar she was keen on visiting Kingston to buy old reggae vinyl recordings and visiting the Bob Marley Museum this tourist tried to dissuade her because of Kingstons bad reputation.
Claudia, according to later police interviews, also chatted to the barman that night a Jamaican named Anthony Grant and he said she drank four or five vodka and grapefruit juices he served her. Later it would be ascertained that Anthony Grant despite his initial denials, which he later reversed - and Claudia (after Tania left for bed ) went off together: Claudia liked reggae music and a bar along the beach had some live music. As usual plenty of marijuana was being smoked at the performance.
Tania told police that Claudia told her about all of this the following evening Friday 26th May when they met for dinner, she also said Claudia had mentioned going skinny-dipping with Grant afterwards in the sea that shed tried some dope as well and then hed taken her back to the hotel, but dropped her off short of the entrance for fear of violating the staff/guest mixing rules and thus losing his job. She told Tania hed asked to meet her again that night, Friday 26th, but shed turned him down. Tania said goodbye to Claudia the next morning, Saturday 27th, when they met for breakfast and left for her flight back to the US: Claudia still had two days before her flight left on Monday, 29th.
That breakfast with Tania was the last confirmed sighting of Claudia Kirschhoch.
For three days Beaches staff came and went to room 621. They noted the bed had not been slept in. Towels went unused. The luggage hadnt been disturbed. Yet they told no-one.
Not until Tuesday 30th, May was the alarm raised. Even then little was done. This was an extraordinary situation by normal standards but even more bizarre given the companys PR reputation for keeping a close eye on its trade-guests. Somebody had slipped up.
Back in the USA Claudias parents and colleagues not knowing a flight had been arranged for her on Monday 29th, a flight shed not turned up for because she was missing still expected her to return to Newark at 8.30pm Thursday June 1st, the date originally planned for the return-leg of the ill-fated Cuban trip. Her parents didnt expect her to call late on Thursday, but when they still hadnt heard anything by the following day, Friday June 2nd they called her apartment in New York and left a message. It wasnt picked up. They called her office to learn she hadnt arrived. They immediately knew something was wrong. They called Jamaica and spoke to someone at a Beaches office in Montego Bay: he prevaricated, initially suggesting Claudia had extended her stay. Her parents told him that was nonsense shed have told them. The Kirschhochs now think the staff were trying to cover-up the fact theyd lost track of their daughter. More calls followed until finally they were told her room had been entered and the discovery made her bed hadnt been slept in, nor her belongings touched recently. Ominously the safe-deposit box contained her passport, return ticket, credit cards and $180 in cash.
It would be later ascertained that Claudia was probably wearing a striped blue bikini and carrying a small radio when she vanished on Saturday 27th May. A security man on the beach may have seen her walking along it that afternoon.
Events then took a more sinister turn when a PR person Mr Kirschhoch spoke to at Negrils Beaches claimed Claudia had failed to meet Tania when she was departing. This was characterised by this PR man as typical since she [Claudia] never showed up for anything that we did [for her]. This employee also allegedly claimed hed seen Claudia on the Sunday and thats shed failed to show up for her ride to the airport on Monday. All of this would later turn out to be demonstrably false claim the Kirschhochs. It would be proven that the last person to see Claudia was indeed Tania on that Saturday morning. The PR mans claims were nonsense. Hed lost track of Claudia and would later be proven to be simply covering himself.
The family began calling their local political representatives in Washington for help. Claudias publishing company got involved and the following Wednesday flew her parents by charted plane to Kingston. A reward of $25,000 was established. Posters were distributed to local press and various establishments. The family made radio appeals. Butch Stewart gave the family accommodation and covered some expenses. Crucially the family also spoke to the FBI they were already worrying about the Jamaican police forces abilities in solving the crime and wanted the bureaus help. Their Congressman in Washington threw his weight behind the case and attached a rider to a bill giving funds to Jamaica which stated that these would be withheld if the FBI werent allowed on the ground. By early July 2000, for the first time in Jamaican police history, six FBI agents were investigating the disappearance in their country of an American citizen: Claudia Kirschhoch.
They turned up crucial but, until proven otherwise, inconclusive evidence which cast doubt upon the bartender Anthony Grants evidence. They also found inconsistencies in other individuals evidence.
At one press conference, filmed by ABC TV for their 20/20 series, a senior Sandals PR man stated that Tania had alleged privately to him that Claudia had said shed had sex with the barman after their outing to the reggae concert. This shocked the family deeply. It also shocked Tania Grossinger who vehemently denies ever stating such a thing. Claudias character was suddenly in question. The PR mans claims they believe had been relayed to him from his local man on the ground in Negril who in turn fabricated them to keep his job and denigrate their daughter by shoving her into the sex-and-sand bracket of tourists who head to Jamaica to Rent-a-Dread (a phenomenon with several websites devoted to it, including one for US women whove sought local company only to end up attacked and robbed) for the night. Butch Stewart reprimanded both his staff and called the family after the conference to apologise. The media picked up on these references though and began suggesting Claudia had perhaps broken loose and ran off into the hills with a Jamaican. Her family classify this as almost beneath contempt: in other cases, depending upon the person they could see it happening and they know theres been a couple of vaguely similar instances where women have vanished then reappeared, but with their daughter given her life, occupation and nature of her trip, the chance is less than zero. Anyway, the Kirschhochs told me: When confronted by the FBI [the Sandals PR man] was found to be lying repeatedly, he explained he did this for the good of Sandals and to save his job. He lied about talking to Claudia on Sunday May 28th, and many other statements meant to purposely portray her as irresponsible and frivolous. Butch Stewart admitted to the FBI that [the PR employee] told him hed lied.
The barman Anthony Grant has since been fired.
But Grant claimed on US TV he had sex after the reggae concert with Claudia on Thursday 25th May and also that he went out with her again on Friday 26th May. Both claims clash with Tania Grossingers evidence because she says Claudia told her they specifically did not [have sex]; and his claim he met her on the Friday is contradicted by the fact Tania met Claudia that night for dinner herself. The family also disbelieve him on both counts. They have serious reason to. Grant was questioned by the local police and the FBI who gave him a lie-detector test some parts of which he failed: he did however reportedly pass the question which asked if hed harmed Claudia. This leads her parents to think he may know someone who did. Federal Agents with warrants searched his house and a hair, later identified as Claudias, was retrieved from the backseat of his car. It was ascertained that hed earlier changed his car seat covers. Despite this he still denies she was ever in that backseat. (The Kirschhochs later drafted in a search and rescue dog from Oregon which traced their daughters scent to the same spot and Grants house which he shares wit his mother and extended family). Although Grant denied any wrongdoing apart from allegedly having a passing relationship over two nights with Claudia, police sources have told the family they, Do not think Grants four days off [work] from Sunday [day after last sighting of Claudia] through until Wednesday and his request for sleeping pills and stomach medication are a coincidence. They and we feel he knows much more.
Other odd facts turned up during the FBI investigation which, at the very least, as puzzling: the PR man later found to have told untruths about meeting Claudia on the Sunday at the resort, also suddenly took four days off work after Claudia vanished; he also tried to obtain a new passport at short notice. Then there was the disappearance of the resorts vehicle entry logs, security tapes and with them the ability to positively identify two men in a car who turned up the weekend Claudia vanished asking for her by name at the front desk: they were traced but denied going to the hotel that weekend one of them was a Beaches jet-ski instructor. Its also been established that Claudias mobile phone is missing: it was listed in the possessions found in her room but it vanished while in the safekeeping of the resorts security chief. Film that was found in her camera in her room was seized by resort security personnel: the film, for some reason yielded nothing because, Fred Kirschhoch told me: They[security] took it to be developed and totally destroyed it.
At various times during my interview with Claudias parents they went out of their way to stress the fact that they acknowledge the help Butch Stewart has personally come forward with. Hes allowed TV crews into the resorts, the search dog was allowed in to search premises, he initially paid for flights and accommodation for the family during their first trips to the island and he personally matched their US$25,000 reward, thus upping it to a hefty Jamaican $2m. Hes also participated in press conferences and went out of his way to influence the Jamaican media into putting the story onto the headlines.
However some of the evidence makes them doubt the motives of a handful of his underlings they suspect may have been, if not guilty of anything criminal, at least not entirely open with all the information they may posses. They are not looking for conspiracy theories: their questioning is simply based on evidence gleaned, and questions arising, from the FBIs enquiries. They await with interest DNA tests being currently carried out by Federal Agents on the lining of Anthony Grants car and a pair of gloves and boots which the search and rescue dog identified as having been in contact with Claudias scent during their search. The gloves were in a suitcase under Mr Grants bed. The results are expected within weeks.
Because of the unstable nature of Jamaica and the state of its police force, the whole issue has moved from a disappearance to being what Mary Ann Kirschhoch described to me as such a political thing, its frightening, were private people. Their obvious decency and patent horror at the predicament they find themselves in has paradoxically endeared them to many Jamaicans whove seen them hike up and down Seven Mile Beach handing out leaflets and Missing posters during their four visits to Negril since Claudias disappearance last year.
Those posters are still tacked up in various places around the resorts. They show a vibrant dark-haired Claudia, 5ft 2, 8 stones, shes smiling beautifully, beneath the word Missing and above the word Reward. People are encouraged to call a toll-free helpline or log onto the website www.findclaudia.homestead.com. The Kirschhochs rightly and understandably cling with iron resolve to the narrow hope that, until proven otherwise, their daughter may be alive somewhere possibly being held against her will.
They are already planning another trip to Jamaica they told me. Once there, theyll check into a quiet, small European style hotel theyve found which bakes its own daily supply of bread and croissants.
Then theyll gather their strength, lift their posters and step out into the blazing sunshine to begin their endless search. Hoping and praying with every footprint in the golden sand of Seven Mile Beach, for nothing less than a miracle.
© 2001 Eamonn ONeill for The Scotsman.
To: doc
643
posted on
07/01/2005 1:39:36 PM PDT
by
sodpoodle
(Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put it does not allow you to evict others.)
To: Countyline
I was reading this on that site last night. Unbelievable!
To: cajungirl
645
posted on
07/01/2005 1:40:55 PM PDT
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: sodpoodle
Excerpts from previous link:
Payment for the cocaine would be received in United States currency which was transported back to Curacao by, among other means, human couriers. According to the Valencia Indictment, people who failed to pay for the cocaine were subject to threats of physical violence, including threats to the family members of such co-conspirators.
646
posted on
07/01/2005 1:42:22 PM PDT
by
sodpoodle
(Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put it does not allow you to evict others.)
To: TexKat
Isn't Gene Ralston the side scan sonar guy that was looking for Laci Peterson?
647
posted on
07/01/2005 1:46:52 PM PDT
by
Jrabbit
To: monkeywrench
Greta is doing a great job, but I'm fed up enough that I'd like to see Nancy Grace loosed on them!
Nancy Grace is a tigger, whereas Greta is a TIGER.
648
posted on
07/01/2005 1:52:16 PM PDT
by
GarySpFc
(Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
To: TexKat
SM no longer allows just to
read posts.
They want you to signup and I'm not going to do that.
649
posted on
07/01/2005 1:54:29 PM PDT
by
the Deejay
(THE LADY DEEJAY)
To: TexKat; spectre; Jrabbit; onyx; brigette
BReaking: The 3 suspects are charged with MURDER, per the chief prosecutor, per Fox News!!! Have been all along!
650
posted on
07/01/2005 1:55:24 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: GarySpFc
Are you kidding? Nancy Grace is one nasty piece of work when she wants to be. I've never seen Greta get nasty with anyone.
651
posted on
07/01/2005 1:55:40 PM PDT
by
monkeywrench
(Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
To: the Deejay
652
posted on
07/01/2005 1:55:47 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: the Deejay
They are reporting at SM that the 2 guys hae been charged with murder.
To: Howlin
Oh my.....forensics must have shown smething pretty bad.
654
posted on
07/01/2005 1:56:26 PM PDT
by
Jrabbit
To: Howlin
YES!
655
posted on
07/01/2005 1:56:38 PM PDT
by
onyx
(Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
To: Jrabbit
They have been charged with murder all along but they didn't release it in deference to the family.
656
posted on
07/01/2005 1:58:24 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: Howlin
haha! guess that PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
is proven correct!
'BOUT TIME!!!
657
posted on
07/01/2005 1:58:29 PM PDT
by
the Deejay
(THE LADY DEEJAY)
To: truthluva
658
posted on
07/01/2005 1:58:50 PM PDT
by
Howlin
To: Howlin
NOW, one or more of them will break.
The one who is most innocent.... if that's possible.
This was thee only way for the prosecutor to go.
659
posted on
07/01/2005 1:59:20 PM PDT
by
onyx
(Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
To: onyx
MSNBC says they have been charged with that for the last three weeks.
660
posted on
07/01/2005 1:59:23 PM PDT
by
Howlin
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