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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4
Link to previous Natalee Holloway Thread ^ | 6/30/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/30/2005 8:31:27 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Posted on 06/23/2005 12:44:51 PM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1429067/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Ariel/Satellite Map of Aruba
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=12.564583,-70.035954&spn=0.089264,0.123081&z=4&t=k&hl=en

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

Online TV Show Links


Shortcuts...

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty  (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network


Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




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To: brigette

Bookmarking


21 posted on 06/30/2005 9:10:43 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (••• ••• •••)
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To: brigette

The "mystery message" may be the rumored ransom demand. This would explain why Beth felt so strongly that Natalee was alive, and would explain why her flyers said "kidnapped" instead of "missing."


22 posted on 06/30/2005 9:11:42 AM PDT by MIDad23
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To: sarasota

Yes... a very handsome articulate older gentleman :-)


23 posted on 06/30/2005 9:12:52 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

bookmarking for later.


24 posted on 06/30/2005 9:13:36 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: MIDad23

Wow. Hadn't thought of that. I do wonder why Beth felt so strongly that Natalee had been kidnapped; this could be a clue.


25 posted on 06/30/2005 9:15:34 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: TexKat

Greta said: "For example, what if Joran did leave her on the beach like a cad... and that she decided to go for a swim and went way out and drowned? Of course, like I noted, there is not evidence of my hypothetical but it is possible. We just don't know."

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I just wonder if there is truth to the report that J at school the next day was mouthing off about how Natalee had drowned.


27 posted on 06/30/2005 9:19:51 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I just wonder if there is truth to the report that J at school the next day was mouthing off about how Natalee had drowned.

I have not heard that. Where did you hear that one.

28 posted on 06/30/2005 9:22:51 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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bookmark


29 posted on 06/30/2005 9:25:47 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)
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To: All

Shortcuts... (updated version)

A-DK = David Kock (Satish's Attorney
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)

Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)

CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
CNN = Cable News Network

DH = David Holloway (Natalee's Father)
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect

GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)

HNN = Headline News Network

Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect

LE = Law Enforcement

MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
MSM = Main Stream Media

Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)

SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay - possible suspect)
SG or SG's = Security Guards
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 18 year old suspect

VDS = van der Sloot



30 posted on 06/30/2005 9:26:09 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: brigette

Hey Brigette, I've been lurking these threads regularly, but may have missed something. I saw an article (http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19854_20040518.htm) about a young guy who drowned in 2004 and wasn't found. Was this beach where he drowned near where Natalie was presumed to have been "left"? After Greta's story on the currents last night, I was doubtful that a drowning victim would get carried out to sea, rather, they would wash up. But after reading the story in the above link, I have doubts.


32 posted on 06/30/2005 9:28:01 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: All
This post is being brought to you as a Public Service Announcement. :)

Subjects:  Drug trafficking,  Drug policy
Locations:  Aruba,  Netherlands Antilles
Author(s):  Clinton, William J

Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents. Washington: Dec 9, 1996. Vol. 32, Iss. 49;  pg. 2453, 2 pgs

Abstract 

In a letter to the leaders of Congress, Pres Clinton lists the countries that have been judged to be major illicit drug-producing or drug-transit countries. Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles are the most recent additions to this group of nations.
Dear Mr. Chairman: (Dear Ranking Member: )

In accordance with the provisions of section 490(h) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (FAA), as amended, I have determined that the following countries are major illicit drug-producing or drug-transit countries: Afghanistan, Aruba, The Bahamas, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, China, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Jamaica, Laos, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Venezuela, and Vietnam. These countries have been selected on the basis of information from the March 1, 1996, International Narcotics Control Strategy Report and from other United States Government sources.

This year, I have added Aruba to the list of major illicit drug-transit countries. At the same time, I am adding the Netherlands Antilles to those countries that we monitor as potentially significant drug-transit countries. These already include Cuba, Turkey, the Balkan Route countries and the former poppygrowing countries of Central Asia.

Aruba. In the past 2 years, there has been a major shift in drug trafficking patterns, as enforcement activities in Mexico, the western Caribbean, and The Bahamas have pushed trafficking routes eastward. Taking advantage of the limited enforcement capabilities of most eastern Caribbean countries, Colombian drug syndicates have been routing U.S.bound cocaine and heroin through the region. Consequently, countries that in the past have been peripheral to the drug trade have now taken on major roles that significantly affect the United States. While all of the eastern Caribbean is vulnerable to exploitation by traffickers, we have identified Aruba as a major drug-transit country. Aruba is situated on a major drug-transit route, with the vast majority of the cocaine and heroin that transits Aruba destined for the United States.

Cocaine trafficking through Aruba to Puerto Rico continues to involve both transshipment through Aruba and redistribution from Aruba as a hub to other locations. Cocaine is smuggled by ship via Aruba, using commercial vessels, cruise ships, pleasure craft, and fishing boats. In addition, according to the DEA, traffickers use Aruba's freezone facilities to engage in transit of bulk shipments of cocaine without scrutiny by local officials. A substantial portion of the free-zone's businesses in Aruba are owned and operated by members of the Mansur family, who have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder trafficking proceeds.

Netherlands Antilles. Analysis of the trafficking patterns indicates that there is considerable drug activity taking place around the Netherlands Antilles, especially around St. Maarten. Although, at present, we have only anecdotal information, it is possible that significant quantities of U.S.-bound drugs are involved.

Turkey and Other Balkan Route Countries. Although I am still concerned about the large volume of Southwest Asian heroin moving through Turkey and neighboring countries to Western Europe along the Balkan Route, there is no clear evidence that this heroin significantly affects the United States. If in the future it is determined that heroin transiting Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, the former Republic of Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia, or other European countries on the Balkan Route significantly affects the United States, I will add the relevant countries to the "majors" list.

Cuba. Cuba's geographical position astride one of the principal Caribbean trafficking routes to the United States makes it a logical candidate for consideration for the "majors" list. While there continue to be some credible reports that trafficking syndicates use Cuban territory (including waters and airspace) for moving drugs, it has not been confirmed that this traffic carries significant quantities of cocaine or heroin to the United States.

Central Asia. In 1996, the State Department conducted probe efforts in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, traditional poppy-growing areas of the former Soviet Union. These probes did not show significant opium poppy cultivation. If ongoing analysis reveals cultivation of 1,000 hectares or more of poppy, I will add such countries to the "majors" list at the appropriate time.

Major Cannabis Producers. While Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Morocco, the Philippines, and South Africa are important cannabis producers, they do not appear on the list since I have determined, pursuant to FAA section 481(a)(2), that in all cases the cannabis is either consumed locally or exported to countries other than the United States, and thus, such illicit cannabis production does not significantly affect the United States.

Sincerely, William J. Clinton

NOTE: Identical letters were sent to Jesse Helms, chairman, and Claiborne Pell, ranking member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations; Mark O. Hatfield, chairman, and Robert C. Byrd, ranking member, Senate Committee on Appropriations; Benjamin A. Gilman, chairman, and Lee H. Hamilton, ranking member, House Committee on International Relations; and Robert L. Livingston, chairman, and David R. Obey, ranking member, House Committee on Appropriations. This letter was released by the Office of the Press Secretary on December 3.


33 posted on 06/30/2005 9:28:11 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: CheneyChick

Hard to say... I never heard about the young man before.


34 posted on 06/30/2005 9:32:26 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...
Blogs for Natalee

June 30, 2005

Beth absolutely believes that she has been kidnapped. Beth says that this is not a missing person. She called 911 saying that her daughter had been kidnapped.

More

35 posted on 06/30/2005 9:33:14 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: texasbluebell

Sounds to me like Greta, Beth et. at. are playing nice to avoid antagonizing the Arubans. It must take every ounce of control they have.


36 posted on 06/30/2005 9:33:53 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Nita Nupress

Well done, Nita. Well done.


37 posted on 06/30/2005 9:35:28 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: brigette

I just read some more on the boy and found out that they were four miles out when the jetski broke down.


38 posted on 06/30/2005 9:38:57 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: All
Just a little synopsis of the political background in Aruba.

Should you go there on vacation, you may need this list of names if you encounter any difficulties, doncha know.



EIU ViewsWire, New York: Mar 22, 2005

Aruba: Political structure

Official name
Aruba

Form of government
Parliamentary democracy with control over internal affairs, including aviation, customs, communications and immigration; the Netherlands is responsible for external affairs such as citizenship, defence and foreign affairs

The executive
Council of Ministers responsible to the Staten (parliament)

Head of state
Queen Beatrix Wilhelmina Armgard of the Netherlands, represented by a governor; responsibility in the Netherlands lies with the Ministry of Internal Affairs

National legislature
The Staten has 21 members elected by adult suffrage every four years through proportional representation

Legal system
Court of first instance on the island, appealing to a High Court of Justice operated jointly with the Netherlands Antilles; High Court justices are appointed by the Dutch crown in consultation with the Council of Ministers

National elections
September 28th 2001; next election expected to be in September 2005

National government
The MEP has a majority of 12 of the 21 seats in the Staten

Main political organisations
Government: Movimento Electoral di Pueblo (MEP)--12 seats
Opposition: Arubaanse Volks Partij (AVP)--six seats; Partido Patriotico Arubano (PPA)--two seats; Organisacion Liberal Arubano (OLA)--one seat
Other: Aliansa Democratico Arubano (Aliansa); Conscientisacion pa Liberacion di Aruba (CLA); Accion Democratico Nacional (ADN)
Governor-general: Fredis Refunjol
Prime minister & minister of general affairs: Nelson Oduber
Deputy prime minister & social affairs & infrastructure: Marisol Tromp

Key ministers
Education & administrative affairs: Walfrido Croes
Employment, culture & sport: Ramon Lee
Finance & economic affairs: Nilo Swaen
Justice: Rudy Croes
National health & environment: Booshi Wever
Tourism & transport: Eddy Briesen

Central Bank president
Robert Henriquez

 


39 posted on 06/30/2005 9:41:25 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: sarasota
"All I can say is that this Charles Croes is one very articulate man. I heard Greta's interview but was so overwhelmed that I could process the info!

Oh yeah...He was spell binding and HOT! :)

sw

40 posted on 06/30/2005 9:46:03 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (A moment of silence?..we've had a MONTH of silence))
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