Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: brigette

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181 posted on 06/30/2005 12:42:44 PM PDT by dc-zoo

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

That would certainly supply a motive! Good thought!

182 posted on 06/30/2005 12:44:21 PM PDT by twigs

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

When this story first broke, weren't the brothers referred to as drug dealers by the media?

184 posted on 06/30/2005 12:46:12 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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To: spectre

I tend to agree with you and doubt Natalee is alive, but admit I'm intrigued by some other creepy suggestions.

I know I keep harping, but I do not understand why the Equisearch Team hasn't been able to search the VDSs property with cadaver dogs! How hard would it be to get a friggin' search warrant? They took the wrong dogs there the first time (drug dogs).

185 posted on 06/30/2005 12:46:39 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: truthluva

Do you think the deviation could have been due to the "young" guy that was riding with him? Just wondering of they were trying to think of places where young people hung out and that's why they didn't go back to HI.

Could be. It struck me strange last night when I was watching the interview, but after I sleep on it, I concluded that there was logical explanations for those actions.

186 posted on 06/30/2005 12:47:01 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: GarySpFc; No Surrender No Retreat

Just pinging you guys over to the new thread!

187 posted on 06/30/2005 12:48:55 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: demkicker

They took the wrong dogs there the first time (drug dogs).

Was there an explanation for them taking drug dogs?

188 posted on 06/30/2005 12:49:01 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: monkeywrench

Yes, I did see some early reports that indicated that.

Later reports have backed away from or ignored those claims, however.

189 posted on 06/30/2005 12:49:58 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: Lizarde

I see now that it originally came from www.aruba.com

190 posted on 06/30/2005 12:52:46 PM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

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To: brigette

Yes... a very handsome articulate older gentleman :-)

Yes--he resembles several stage and screen actors who have played the role of Emile De Becque in South Pacific.

191 posted on 06/30/2005 12:53:49 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

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To: kcvl

Please pardon the ping if you've been pinged already. Just wanted you to know where we moved to.

192 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:23 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")

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To: Jrabbit

Who was the young man with him in the car as he's driving to these places?

We have not heard that at this point. And when Greta questioned CC about it, CC actually did/would not divulge names.

VAN SUSTEREN: Who went?

C. CROES: All of the people that were there, myself included.

VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning Beth and her husband, the police… were there some other friends from the United States with them?

C. CROES: Yes.

193 posted on 06/30/2005 12:55:53 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; All

A question for anyone:

If Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are released from jail, can the Aruban government deport them, since they are citizens of Surinam??

194 posted on 06/30/2005 12:59:32 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

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To: Jrabbit

Who was the young man with him in the car as he's driving to these places?

I'm tempted to say his boyfriend...just to stop the Freeperettes whose minds seem to start wandering a bit when Mr. Croes' name is mentioned.

195 posted on 06/30/2005 12:59:44 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

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To: Palladin

I suppose anything is possible. Are they there illegally? If not, it may be hard to deport them.

196 posted on 06/30/2005 1:01:42 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)

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To: TexKat; brigette; maggiefluffs

Was there an explanation for them taking drug dogs?

I'm assuming its because those are the only kind of dogs they've got in Aruba. Guess they wanted it to look impressive(?), or nab the VDSs if they had drugs.

197 posted on 06/30/2005 1:05:27 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I heard a detective on TV say today that if a date rape drug was used on Natalee, they may be opening up another crime scene--the place where the drug was administered. I am assuming this means Carlos&Charlie's.

199 posted on 06/30/2005 1:07:54 PM PDT by Palladin (God Bless America!)

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To: PBRSTREETGANG

LOL

200 posted on 06/30/2005 1:09:27 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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