Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: TexKat

So Tito is the "great communicator" -- I'll have to remember that the next time he's on tv, flapping his jaws.

1,521 posted on 07/04/2005 7:58:39 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: kcvl; TexKat; onyx; spectre

What time did the hearing start?

1,522 posted on 07/04/2005 8:00:56 AM PDT by Howlin

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To: Howlin

What time did the hearing start?

I believe that it has been in the last hour.

1,523 posted on 07/04/2005 8:05:48 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

Fox News: Some of the Holloways and Twittys are at the courthouse in Aruba. Fox News reporting that if any of the 3 walk free the Twittys will hold a news conference and tell all that they know.

I'm almost hoping that these crooks do the dirty deed they're dying to do and let the three all go. Time for some exposure and truth telling about this corrupt island. The Twitty's & Holloway's have some facts that will be shocking to everyone. This sick dog & pony show needs to come to an end once and for all. Time to expose the corruption & cover-up, IMO.

1,524 posted on 07/04/2005 8:06:27 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: texasbluebell

Looks like the great communicator is supposed to be Rueben, as described by Tito. I misread that.

1,525 posted on 07/04/2005 8:09:01 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: maggiefluffs

They also started to question the father of Natalee, but at certain moment he got angry by the questions and he left the police station. He refused to further collaborate with police.

Just more ammo for the scathing press conference Natalee's family will be giving later....

1,526 posted on 07/04/2005 8:11:39 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: Dark Skies

For what it's worth, here is a computer translation into English of your Dutch language post.

What do you mean by "computer translation?" I used Babelfish, but are you talking about doing it within MS Windows? I've always wondered how one does that.

1,527 posted on 07/04/2005 8:14:48 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: maggiefluffs

You know maggiefluffs people continue to talk about Natalee's ex-boyfriend. I read one of the MB students post yesterday on SM. Sean McVea was Natalee's boyfriend in the 9th grade and the relationship ended in the 9th grade. The MB student posted that Natalee and McVea have just friends since the 9th grade.

Also it has been reported on one of our threads that Sean McVea is a brother to one of the girls in the picture where Natalee and 3 other MB female students are hugging. That also may be incorrect info due to the last names being spelled differently. Sean McVea and Ruth McVay.

1,528 posted on 07/04/2005 8:14:55 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: demkicker

I tend to agree.

1,529 posted on 07/04/2005 8:16:29 AM PDT by maggief

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To: TexKat

"I think we are going to loose it on Aruba"," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints."

Funny...at one moment Holland, from forensic tests to legal procedures to military assistance, is responsible for delays and the next they can't be responsible for anything because of constitutional restraints.

From all that I've read though, it would make perfect sense that Aruba looked to dirty money to fund their independent pursuits.

1,530 posted on 07/04/2005 8:20:54 AM PDT by Dolphy

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To: TexKat

You are doing an awesome job!

Thanks.

1,531 posted on 07/04/2005 8:23:24 AM PDT by presently no screen name

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To: maggiefluffs

I know the Holloway family is grief stricken, but they should answer any questons the authorities may have of them Of course I would request my attorney/FBI be present. Oh I forgot, Dutch law probably would not allow it.

The Aruban authorities/media will spin this to discredit the Holloway's, if they do not cooperate with the questioning. NSNR

1,532 posted on 07/04/2005 8:25:10 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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To: presently no screen name

Thank you presently no screen name. It is not easy with all the rumors, misinfo, etc.

1,533 posted on 07/04/2005 8:29:38 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: No Surrender No Retreat

The Aruban authorities/media will spin this to discredit the Holloway's, if they do not cooperate with the questioning.

They've been spinning this for some time, IMO.

Where did TOP 95.1 get this information? "They also started to question the father of Natalee, but at certain moment he got angry by the questions and he left the police station. He refused to further collaborate with police."

How does one cooperate with corrupt LE?

1,534 posted on 07/04/2005 8:33:47 AM PDT by maggief

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To: TexKat

Happy 4th of July, guys

1,535 posted on 07/04/2005 8:35:33 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: TexKat

I read one of the MB students post yesterday on SM. Sean McVea was Natalee's boyfriend in the 9th grade and the relationship ended in the 9th grade. The MB student posted that Natalee and McVea have just friends since the 9th grade.

Thanks for the post.

1,536 posted on 07/04/2005 8:37:37 AM PDT by maggief

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To: maggiefluffs

They also started to question the father of Natalee, but at certain moment he got angry by the questions and he left the police station. He refused to further collaborate with police.
Another strange detail that Top 95 pointed out was that on the website of the FBI in the list of missing persons, Natalee's case is not appearing...why??? Is the FBI not considering Natalee as a missimg person??
I can hear the Aruban authorities now attempting to deflect blame onto Natalee and/or her parents or both. This island is a nest of snakes.

1,537 posted on 07/04/2005 8:41:12 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: No Surrender No Retreat

The Aruban authorities/media will spin this to discredit the Holloway's, if they do not cooperate with the questioning. NSNR

I wouldn't be concerned about the Holloway's or Twitty's being discredited.... Not gonna happen. There's no contest in who has demonstrated credibility in this mess. It's Natalee's family vs the Aruban govt, and from the start the authorities made it glaringly obvious they were not interested in the truth.

All who have paid attention are aware that the Arubans have thwarted and sabotaged this investigation from the start. Just you wait until Natalee's family unleashes all they know. You ain't seen nuthin' yet.

FYI, Beth Twitty has kept a daily journal about everything and I guarantee you this information will be devastating to Aruba once it is made public.

1,538 posted on 07/04/2005 8:42:44 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

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To: Nita Nupress

What do you mean by "computer translation?" I used Babelfish, but are you talking about doing it within MS Windows? I've always wondered how one does that.

I normally use Promt Online for my Russian to English translations, but you can use it for Dutch to English and many other languages. http://translation2.paralink.com/

1,539 posted on 07/04/2005 8:45:46 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)

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To: Nita Nupress

I only mean "computer" instead of "human." I like Babelfish also.

1,540 posted on 07/04/2005 8:46:52 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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