Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: All

An excerpt from the article link I just posted:

And then there are the orgasm girls.

They are three blonds from Detroit - two are 17, one is 20 - and are onstage for the "orgasm contest," where participants loudly fake sex noises.

The girls all wear tiny tank tops and tinier skirts.

They lose the contest, but get free beer. They wobble to the restroom, holding hands so they don't lose each other in the thick crowd.

They are confident nothing bad could happen to them in the Bahamas. They've heard of Natalee Holloway, but one girl's mom is around, just in case.

1,501 posted on 07/04/2005 6:43:24 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: Nita Nupress

Well, drats. I didn't realize that link wouldn't be right about my last reply. Here it is, so you won't have to go back for it.

Too much 'fun'?
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/04/Worldandnation/Too_much__fun_.shtml

1,502 posted on 07/04/2005 6:45:01 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: All

Associated Press Online
July 4, 2005 1:08 AM ET

Missing Teen's Mom Puts Pressure on Aruba

PETER PRENGAMAN; Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba

She's been a regular on "Larry King Live," "Today" and many other U.S. television shows since her teenage daughter disappeared five weeks ago during a high school graduation trip to Aruba. Nearly every day Beth Holloway Twitty takes her daughter's case to an American news media eager to broadcast her latest hopes and frustrations with the official investigation.

Armed with graceful charm and a gripping story, the 44-year-old speech therapist has played a major role in making her 18-year-old daughter's disappearance one of the most closely watched news stories in the United States for more than a month.

Along the way, she has managed to focus international attention on this tiny Dutch Caribbean island, putting tremendous pressure on its leaders to produce answers.

"By bringing attention to it, she has been able to apply a good deal of scrutiny to her cause," said Wally Dean of the Washington, D.C.-based Project for Excellence in Journalism. "She has certainly gotten the attention of Aruban authorities."

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber declared finding Natalee Holloway a "national priority."

"This case is under a microscope and the world is watching," government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said.

Three young men have been detained in the Alabama honor student's May 30 disappearance, but no one has been charged. Aruban police, the FBI, Dutch Marines and a group of Texas volunteers have conducted extensive searches throughout the island. But they have found no trace of the young woman.

But Holloway Twitty, continuously flanked by family and friends, says she won't go home without answers.

Aruba, a protectorate of the Netherlands, on two different occasions called in Dutch Marines for assistance. At one point Oduber gave public employees days off so thousands of Arubans could help in the searches.

Trapenberg said he's never seen an investigation that has received so many government resources. A total of 21 police detectives have been assigned to the case compared to an average of three or four for most other investigations, he said.

On Saturday, 33 days after Holloway vanished, Aruban authorities said the Netherlands government would send three F-16 warplanes fitted with special equipment to help in the search.

On Sunday, police briefly took each of the three suspects to separate locations on the island to analyze their stories and gather new information, said Attorney General Karin Janssen.

"This is a common thing we do to gather evidence," she said, declining to release further details.

Holloway Twitty said she had no previous experience with the news media, but quickly realized broadcasting her story increased expectations to solve the case.

"I've got to keep Natalee's case alive and keep the pressure on," she said during a recent interview with The Associated Press.

Holloway Twitty greets reporters with hugs, remembers their names and thanks them for taking the time to listen.

"The media have been nothing but respectful toward me. They have been the voice of Natalee," she said. "There is no way we would be this far along without" the attention.

When she isn't doing interviews, she goes around the island putting up "missing" flyers with her daughter's picture, or visits elementary schools to make "Natalee" bracelets with children.

She sleeps in the same Holiday Inn room that Natalee stayed in, leaving her daughter's packed purple duffel bag the way authorities found it the day Holloway failed to get on a plane home to Mountain Brook, Ala.

Seven FBI agents had an advisory role in the investigation when it began and several remain on the island. Last week, both Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, and Alabama Gov. Bob Riley wrote letters to Aruba's prime minister urging him to do more. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also has expressed concern, Trapenberg said.

But despite the news media blitz and massive searches, the case doesn't appear close to being solved. The three detainees - the 17-year-old son of a top justice official on the island and two Surinamese brothers - were scheduled Monday to go again before a judge, who will decide whether to extend their detention another 60 days.

Janssen, the attorney general, told the AP last week that there was no physical evidence that Natalee had been murdered, casting doubt on the plausibility of a criminal conviction and on how long a judge would allow the men to be held.

Still, Holloway Twitty has promised to push on until she gets the truth.

"We must expect and demand that Natalee is returned to her country," she said.

1,503 posted on 07/04/2005 6:59:59 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...

Fox News: Some of the Holloways and Twittys are at the courthouse in Aruba. Fox News reporting that if any of the 3 walk free the Twittys will hold a news conference and tell all that they know.

1,504 posted on 07/04/2005 7:26:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Nita Nupress; All

Rudy Croes have it raging very these days...

The opposite is true, implores the bewindsman.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I like seeing him called a "bewindsman" -- no matter what it means.

1,505 posted on 07/04/2005 7:26:36 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: Nita Nupress

Nita, do you call not being allowed in the VDS house to gather forensic evidence an advisory role?(FBI) This aspect of cooperation would not meet the pretense of an observer much less an advisor. L.A. Law NSNR

1,506 posted on 07/04/2005 7:28:06 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat

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To: TexKat; All

SM:

LOL, even Ruben Trapenberg has a tickle site:

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=6zGAZBk8uxXIvdZ_

1,507 posted on 07/04/2005 7:35:45 AM PDT by maggief

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Why Was The DEA There?

Seriously, I always wondered why there was a DEA agent on the ground in Aruba when events in the Natalee Holloway disappearance first began to unfold. Guess now I know.

The US Government is not as dismissive as Mr Eman. Within three years Aruba rose from a 'medium risk' to a 'high risk' country in the State Department's annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report. The island is used as a base for bulk transhipment of cocaine to the US and Europe, through its Free Trade Zone. Off-shore corporate banking facilities, the casino/resort complexes, high volume tourism, and a stable currency all make Aruba attractive to money laundering organizations. Eman considers these reports as too negative and suggests that Aruba is in good company since ""the US and Holland rank number one on the list as well"."

The US is concerned about credible reports that some members of the Aruban government met regularly with individuals associated with drug trafficking and money laundering syndicates. In spite of, or perhaps because of, the denials by Aruba officials, the US remains convinced that entrenched money laundering organizations direct large cash deposits into land development and other construction projects on the island. (3) The Netherlands is equally worried. ""I think we are going to loose it on Aruba"," Arthur Docters van Leeuwen, the Dutch Attorney General, said about the counter-narcotics efforts on the island. Aruba is in the hands of some powerful families and Holland can't do anything about it, due to constitutional restraints.

1,508 posted on 07/04/2005 7:36:56 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: sodpoodle; the Deejay

Dwight is mine, mine, mine, I tell yah!!!

I love his legs, how his foot just jigs in tempo;)

OMG, I have to say he's the best too! Have been listening to this lately -- so amazing. "Streets of Bakersfield" -- wow.

link

1,509 posted on 07/04/2005 7:37:17 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: Nita Nupress

For what it's worth, here is a computer translation into English of your Dutch language post. I can almost make sense of it (reading between the lines).

Almost a month Aruba is already in the excommunication of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Especially through the massive attention of the American press, the image has dent gone up of 'on happy Island' a sturdy. The release the day before yesterday by right Paul van of the S., that suspected becomes together with its son of the murder of Holloway, has by the media in the U.S. yet once for extra excitement seen to.

Yet praised the Arubaanse ministers of Justice, Rudy Croes, yet always not that be especially through American tourists visited islands lasting damage through the affair will go up: "We do on it everything at Natalee back to find and the affair to discharge., . The Americas will that finally surely see."

Rudy Croes has want to summon the madman these. While Dutch professors on stone throw distance on Palm beach a beach football tournament finish, shakes the minister in the naastgelegen vip-town the hand of the famous American talkshowhost Geraldo. The television star has been flown over special to Aruba the missing journey to Natalee live to defeat. "It is to be believed", do not sighs Croes. "The Yanks real all records open. And because all that television stations bring want every day news, becomes sometimes the largest possible nonsense as a truth presented. Only all indias story to regret; Aruba no criminal broeinest is!"

The opposite is where, implores the member of government. "It goes right awfully good with Aruba. The criminalities figures - that already high were - are not gone down the last three year yet further once. The number life offences is certain in comparison with our surrounding islands very small. Curacao has since 2002 hundred eighty murders had, we in three year yet no ten. Therefore is it so a pity that we now with this drama be confronted. Although I fortunately can say that we till on at present yet no large numbers afzeggingen had of American tourists."

Ode

Croes begins then an ode, that it especially on comes down to that especially he it perfectly has done during be now more than a year lasting offices period Aruba. About it is come more politieblauw on street, a coast radar has been bought, fights put a by Aruba self financed police helicopter the criminality from the air and Croes a separate locations unity at drugs and weapon trade to fight. The reality is however something genuanceerder.

Especially the Corps Police Aruba under leadership of commissioner Jan van of the Streets the past years has worked make hard at the safelyer of Aruba. But Van of the Streets and also head officer of justice Karin Jansen has been fixed no friends of Croes, that all successes continual to self tries closed to pull. The animosity between the top of the Arubaanse police and it ROUND on the one hand and minister Croes on the other hand has there certainly in the beginning of the investigation to Natalee Holloway for seen to that precious time lost is gone at internal gekissebis over responsibilities.

But according to Rudy Croes its all folds meanwhile smoothed and becomes there unified worked together solving by the affair-Holloway. "About it state too much on the game mutually to quarrels, already comes there yet well an investigation to what there in the beginning is mistake gone", says the minister of Justice. "More than forty thousand men on Aruba its right series dependent on the tourism. The disappearance of Natalee and the publicity around it may not till consequence have that that men just now the risk walk their job rid to hit. Only above all hope I naturally that the girl is found again. For her parents is this a horrible drama. We on Aruba will there everything at do that men in every case security to give over the fate of their daughter."

1,510 posted on 07/04/2005 7:37:40 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: TexKat

Bump! This should be interesting.

1,511 posted on 07/04/2005 7:40:02 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: texasbluebell

Joran van der Sloot, left, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Monday, July 4, 2005, where a judge will decide if he and two other detained suspects in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway will be held for 60 more days. Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island on May 30, 2005. (AP Photo/Jason Inesea, Bon Dia)

1,512 posted on 07/04/2005 7:43:14 AM PDT by kcvl

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To: texasbluebell

..."bewindsman" sounds worse than it is. It means "member of the government."

Per computer translation from Dutch to English.

1,513 posted on 07/04/2005 7:45:06 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: texasbluebell

Attorney Gen. Karin Janssen arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Monday, July 4, 2005, where a judge will decide if the three detained suspects in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway will be held for 60 more days. Holloway disappeared on this Dutch Caribbean island on May 30, 2005. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

1,514 posted on 07/04/2005 7:46:45 AM PDT by kcvl

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To: maggiefluffs

From Ruben Trapenberg's Tickle site:

Tito Lacle: Hey mr Tingeling. From Rockman to Newsman to Gov man.. great singer, philosopher. They call him the great communicator.

1,515 posted on 07/04/2005 7:47:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: texasbluebell

Definitely.

1,516 posted on 07/04/2005 7:48:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Dark Skies

For future reference, here is a link to a free translation site for anyone wanting to translate Dutch to English:

http://www.freetranslation.com/

1,517 posted on 07/04/2005 7:55:36 AM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: maggiefluffs; cajungirl

From Riehl World:

At www.freerepublic.com there is a LOT of information regarding organized crime and Aruba, and the various families involved.

You will have to look in the various Natalee threads. There are 4 of them.

Posted by: Viva la homeschool | July 3, 2005 10:48 PM

1,518 posted on 07/04/2005 7:56:13 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Dark Skies

bewindsman

Well, it sounds more like "blowhard" to me, no matter what it means in Dutch...

1,519 posted on 07/04/2005 7:57:28 AM PDT by texasbluebell

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To: TexKat

SM:

Wel, I was listning to Top 95 this morning via www.arubadag.com and according to what I heard is that there are not realy any more new leads, so they say they have to change the course of investigation to see if there are other possibilities. Maybe a good time for the FBI to start question the parents of Natalee and the kids that were with her on Aruba and also her ex-boyfriend.

Today they will decide to see if there are enough reasons to keep the 3 suspects detained.

They also started to question the father of Natalee, but at certain moment he got angry by the questions and he left the police station. He refused to further collaborate with police.

Another strange detail that Top 95 pointed out was that on the website of the FBI in the list of missing persons, Natalee's case is not appearing...why??? Is the FBI not considering Natalee as a missimg person??

Some questions by Top 95.

They are even thinking in a conspiracy theorie.

Maybe later more

1,520 posted on 07/04/2005 7:58:32 AM PDT by maggief

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