Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 4

PVDS = Paulus (Paul) van der Sloot (Joran's Father)
AVDS = Anita van der Sloot (Joran's Mother)
JVDS = Joran van der Sloot - 17 year old suspect
DK = Deepak Kalpoe - 21 year old suspect
SK = Satish Kalpoe - 19 year old suspect
MSM = Main Stream Media
Beth or BT = Beth Twitty (Natalee's Mother)
Jug or JT = Jug Twitty (Natalee's Step-Father - married to Beth)
Nat or NH = Natalee Holloway
GVS = Greta Van Susteren (FOX)
VDS = van der Sloot
LE = Law Enforcement
SG or SG's = Security Guards
MJ = Mickey John's (Security Guard)
SC = Steve Croes (Boat Deejay)
CC = Charles Croes (Owns Rental Cell Phone Co)
BOR = Bill O'Reilly (FOX)
NG = Nancy Grace (CNN)
HNN = Headline News Network
CNN = Cable News Network

Show/Interview Transcripts

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005

Transcript: Greta in Aruba
INTERVIEW WITH NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER
INTERVIEW WITH ANITA VAN DER SLOOT BEFORE PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT IS ARRESTED
INTERVIEW WITH RUFO SOLOGNIER, STEVE CROES' UNCLE
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005

Beth Twitty: 'My Daughter Has Been Kidnapped'
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 22, 2005

Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005

Natalee's Mother Won't Leave Without Her
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 20, 2005

Natalee's Stepfather Holds Out Hope
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 16, 2005

Holloway's Mother: 'My Daughter is Alive'
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 15, 2005

Tragic Trip?
This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005

Searching for Natalee
This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," June 8, 2005

'On the Record' Exclusive
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 7, 2005

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine - as well simple links to the pictures)

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: allnatalieallthetime; arrestedpaulvds; aruba; compulsive; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; dutch; fubaruba; ghb; holloway; joran; kalpooiesgohome; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; obsessive; ocd; roofies; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot

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To: the Deejay; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From Arubagirl at SM:

No on the drugdealer story. Could be, I just dont' know.

The two main theories about she's alive

1. It is RUMOURED (did everyone get that) that she is alive, held by someone who is pimping her out. (you did ask).

2) Two people who were at the Soul Beach and who work at a surfshop in a surfshop somewhere have not reported for work since NH went missing and can't be found. They have looked for them. Seems they just went up in smoke as well.

1,441 posted on 07/03/2005 6:32:43 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Ditter

Here's the original text of the first article. Maybe you can find someone who speaks Dutch. ;-)

De Telegraaf
June 28, 2005

'Aruba geen crimineel broeinest'

Minister van Justitie Croes laakt indianenverhalen in Amerikaanse pers

ORANJESTAD (Aruba), dinsdag

Bijna een maand is Aruba al in de ban van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway. Vooral door de massale aandacht van de Amerikaanse pers heeft het imago van 'one happy Island' een stevige deuk opgelopen. De vrijlating eergisteren van rechter Paul van der S., die samen met zijn zoon van de moord op Holloway wordt verdacht, heeft bij de media in de VS nog eens voor extra opwinding gezorgd.

Toch gelooft de Arubaanse minister van Justitie, Rudy Croes, nog altijd niet dat zijn vooral door Amerikaanse toeristen bezochte eiland blijvend schade door de affaire zal oplopen: "We doen er alles aan Natalee terug te vinden en de zaak op te lossen. De Amerikanen zullen dat uiteindelijk toch wel inzien."

Rudy Croes heeft het razend druk deze dagen. Terwijl Nederlandse profs op steenworp afstand op Palm beach een strandvoetbaltoernooi afwerken, schudt de minister in het naastgelegen vip-dorp de hand van de beroemde Amerikaanse talkshowhost Geraldo. De televisiester is speciaal naar Aruba overgevlogen om de zoektocht naar Natalee live te verslaan. "Het is niet te geloven", verzucht Croes. "De Yanks trekken echt alle registers open. En omdat al die televisiestations iedere dag nieuws willen brengen, wordt soms de grootst mogelijke onzin als waarheid gepresenteerd. Maar alle indianenverhalen ten spijt; Aruba is geen crimineel broeinest!"

Het tegendeel is waar, bezweert de bewindsman. "Het gaat juist hartstikke goed met Aruba. De criminaliteitscijfers - die al niet hoog waren - zijn de laatste drie jaar nog eens verder gedaald. Het aantal levensdelicten is zeker in vergelijking met ons omringende eilanden zeer gering. Curacao heeft sinds 2002 honderdtachtig moorden gehad, wij in drie jaar nog geen tien. Daarom is het zo jammer dat we nu met dit drama worden geconfronteerd. Hoewel ik gelukkig kan zeggen dat we tot op heden nog geen grote aantallen afzeggingen hebben gehad van Amerikaanse toeristen."

Lofzang

Croes begint dan een lofzang, die er vooral op neerkomt dat vooral hij het perfect heeft gedaan gedurende zijn nu ruim een jaar durende ambtsperiode op Aruba. Er is meer politieblauw op straat gekomen, een kustradar is aangeschaft, een door Aruba zelf gefinancierde politiehelikopter bestrijdt de criminaliteit vanuit de lucht en Croes stelde een aparte opsporingseenheid aan om drugs- en wapenhandel te bestrijden. De werkelijkheid is echter iets genuanceerder.

Vooral het Korps Politie Aruba onder leiding van commissaris Jan van der Straaten heeft de afgelopen jaren keihard gewerkt aan het veiliger maken van Aruba. Maar Van der Straaten en ook hoofdofficier van justitie Karin Jansen zijn bepaald geen vrienden van Croes, die alle successen voortdurend naar zich probeert toe te trekken. De animositeit tussen de top van de Arubaanse politie en het OM enerzijds en minister Croes anderzijds heeft er zeker in het begin van het onderzoek naar Natalee Holloway voor gezorgd dat kostbare tijd verloren is gegaan aan intern gekissebis over verantwoordelijkheden.

Maar volgens Rudy Croes zijn alle plooien inmiddels gladgestreken en wordt er eendrachtig samengewerkt aan het oplossen van de zaak-Holloway. "Er staat te veel op het spel om onderling te ruzien, al komt er nog wel een onderzoek naar wat er in het begin is fout gegaan", zegt de minister van Justitie. "Ruim veertigduizend mensen op Aruba zijn rechtsreeks afhankelijk van het toerisme. De verdwijning van Natalee en de publiciteit daaromheen mag niet tot gevolg hebben dat die mensen straks het risico lopen hun baan kwijt te raken. Maar bovenal hoop ik natuurlijk dat het meisje wordt teruggevonden. Voor haar ouders is dit een afschuwelijk drama. Wij op Aruba zullen er alles aan doen die mensen in ieder geval zekerheid te geven over het lot van hun dochter."

1,442 posted on 07/03/2005 6:33:05 PM PDT by Nita Nupress

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To: Nita Nupress

Only thing they may be worried about
is the US calling all its citizens
home and then lobbing a few missles
at Aruba.

Even Aruba couln't have missed the
US going into Baghdad.

1,443 posted on 07/03/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Ditter

I am glad someone else had
a reading comprehension as
did I. Thought it may only
be me.....LOL!

1,444 posted on 07/03/2005 6:36:10 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: TexKat

that she is alive, held by someone who is pimping her out. (you did ask).

Wellll.....let's see.... Aruba has had time to search every hut, house, dog house, nook & cranny a few times over to find where she's being kept.

1,445 posted on 07/03/2005 6:38:52 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: NCjim

First it was Saturday, then Monday, now Wednesday???

I said this morning, I will believe it when I see it and I know for a fact that I will never see it unless its in a picture and I don't think that will happen either.

Thats probably why they showboated the 3 suspects on the beach this morning. Just something to feed those American cowboys.

1,446 posted on 07/03/2005 6:39:29 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Nita Nupress

All that needs to happen is for the State Department to issue a statement that as demonstrated by the Natalee Holloway incident, the safety of U.S. citizens visiting Aruba cannot be guaranteed, and that people who vacation there do so at their own risk.

1,447 posted on 07/03/2005 6:41:45 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)

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To: Nita Nupress

They're worried.

They don't appear to be worried to me. The situation has only gotten worse since the dates of those articles.

1,448 posted on 07/03/2005 6:44:10 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: Krodg

I read the article in a newspaper, then read a few days later that it was mistakenly reported that it happened in Aruba when, in fact, it happened in Iraq. Isn't that so strange to make such a huge mistake in journalism?

1,449 posted on 07/03/2005 6:46:34 PM PDT by toldyou

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To: Nita Nupress; bwteim

Ping!

1,450 posted on 07/03/2005 6:47:39 PM PDT by CheneyChick

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To: TexKat

I agree with you. The thing this morning was for a photo-op only. I wouldn't be surprised to see the two brothers go free tomorrow and they hold onto Joran. Then, in 60 days, he goes free too.

1,451 posted on 07/03/2005 6:52:30 PM PDT by BamaBlue

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To: the Deejay; TexKat; cajungirl; Gingersnap; Fred Nerks

I would like to say "thank you...thank you Urine VDS and thx to your Daddy."

And thx to anyone that helped Urine...thx for revealing the truth about our little drug and sex addicted island. It just isn't fair. There isn't anything wrong with sex...and we induce it because the American tourst chicks like it that way. They want it or they wouldn't be here.

Right?

Jours truly, Jurine.

1,452 posted on 07/03/2005 6:53:28 PM PDT by Dark Skies

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To: Nita Nupress

Thanks for the ping.

"On Aruba is according to the minister 45,000 people directly dependent on tourism..."

Or, Darn, how terribly inconvenient this flap is over a missing American girl!

(I know it's bad to generalize but every dutchman I ever met was a shallow, narcissictic liar only interested in his own well being.)

1,453 posted on 07/03/2005 6:55:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)

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To: NCjim; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...

I am just posting this because Arubagirl states that it is one of the rumors on the streets of Aruba.

And I did not want yall to miss it.

However it does not pass the smell test.

From SM:

Yes writergal, she is still on the island in scenario number one. Price is rumoured to be $4000.

I know, I just made myself sick.

1,454 posted on 07/03/2005 6:56:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: the Deejay

Maybe my post wasn't clear. I think they're guilty as hell. What my thinking was... how can he justify that statement since he claims his family is innocent? Has anyone pressed him on the inconsistency?

What a piece of 'work' this scumbag is. I hope the people searching for Natalee don't give up.

1,455 posted on 07/03/2005 6:59:43 PM PDT by Landry Fan (Happy Birthday, America!)

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To: TexKat

If that is the case she would have been found by now. As you say, a rumor.

1,456 posted on 07/03/2005 7:00:29 PM PDT by BamaBlue

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To: TexKat

IMO this recreation of events is either icing on the cake or it signals a big fat zero and the three will walk monday.. I can't imagine anyone leaving a young girl intoxicated or drugged alone on a beach at night in a country foreign to them..that alone is enough for me to warrant punishment.....If I was the VDS's I would be worried about street justice, they are the ones that said "no body no crime" what goes around may yet come around...

1,457 posted on 07/03/2005 7:02:54 PM PDT by rolling_stone

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To: Dark Skies

LOL!

You summed it up quite well. KUDOS!

1,458 posted on 07/03/2005 7:04:15 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper; ...

Jossy Mansur on Geraldo: Took them as they normally do in cases of this kind to recreate the night.

They took them separately to 3 different spots.

Not normal for them to take the suspects out in the middle of the day, a little bizarre to Jossy.

1,459 posted on 07/03/2005 7:05:13 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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To: rolling_stone

If I was the VDS's I would be worried about street justice, they are the ones that said "no body no crime" what goes around may yet come around...

Which is why they are goint to keep him locked away until the all clear.

1,460 posted on 07/03/2005 7:07:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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