Posted on 01/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."
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"The first sentence is telling. Creationists and fundamentalists don't have any facts, they just reject modern science because they think it has something to do with politics or morals. " Ok. First of all, there are a great number of creationist who are modern scientists.
"The second sentence is not true. Scientists argue about the various mechanisms of evolution, but understand the evolution is a fact and the basic principle underlying biology."
The lack consensus for what the mechanism for evolution is why so many non-brainwashed people don't accept it! How are we going to embrace the theory when scientists can't
even agree on how it works!!
„Ï "The over-riding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological research¡Xpaleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology¡Xhas provided ever-increasing evidence of Darwinian ideas."¡X*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327
My faith is not shaken by past or recent scientific fact.
It is sad that yours appear to be threatened by science.
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Please list the biologists who are creationists who have published peer reviewed scientific papers refuting evolution:
(There are NONE) Just to help you out a little.
"It takes more faith to believe in the 'BigBang' theory and in the theory of evoultion than it does to believe that you were created in the image of a rational and intelligent being."
You apparently think faith is limited. I don't.
Like love, the more faith you have the more you get.
In any event, your statement is a false alternative. I believe in God and his Son and find evolution to be a scientific fact.
If as you seem to think God designed the human eye, then why would this supreme intelligent and rational being design it backwards?
What do I have to convince you of. Go look in the mirror at your eye.
Please list the biologists who are creationists who have published peer reviewed scientific papers refuting evolution:
(There are NONE) Just to help you out a little.
Below is a partial list of creation scientists in the biological sciences. Scientists do not work for ICR unless indicated. (ICR - Institute for Creation Research)
1)Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry (ICR)
He has a B.S. in Chemistry from UCLA and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of California (Berkeley). He spent a total of 18 years in biochemical research; with Cornell University Medical College (NYC), with the Virus Laboratory, U of Cal-Berkley and and on the research staff of the Upjohn Pharmaceutical Company (Michigan). He has published approximately 40 articles in scientific journals.
2)Ken Cumming, Ph.D. Biology
He has a B.S. in Biology/Chemistry with honors from Tufts University, a Masters in Biology from Harvard, and the Ph.D. in Biology with a major in Ecology and a minor in Biochemistry from Harvard University. He has been on the faculties at the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech), the University of Wisconsin at La Crosse, and Western Wisconsin Technological Institute at La Crosse. During this time, he supervised five doctoral dissertations and about twenty-five master's theses on a wide range of biological topics. He spent nineteen years with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Dr. Cumming is presently preparing a video which he made on a recent visit to the Galapagos Islands which discusses the diversity of species in relation to the traditional interpretation of speciation.
3)David Dewitt, Ph.D. Neuroscience (Adjunct Faculty for
He has a B.S. in Biochemistry from Michigan State University and a Ph.D. in Neuroscience from Case Western Reserve University, School of Medicine. His professional memberships include the Society for Neuroscience and the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine
4)rank Sherwin, M.A. Zoology (Parasitology) (ICR)
He has a B.A. in Biology from Western State College in Colorado and an M.A. in Zoology from the University of Northern Colorado. Frank's specialty is parasitology. He discovered a new species of parasite, a nematode of the family Acuariidae. He published his research in the peer-reviewed Journal of Parasitology with the late Dr. G.D. Schmidt. Before coming to work for ICR, Frank taught Human Physiology & Anatomy, Medical Microbiology, Parasitology, General Biology I & II and Cell Biology for 9 years at Pensacola Christian College. He is a member of the American Society of Parasitologists and the Helminthological Society of Washington.
5)Todd C. Wood, Ph.D. Biochemistry/Genomics
He has a B.S. in Biology (highest honors) from Liberty University, a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Virginia, and a Post-Doctoral Research Fellowship in Genomics from Clemson University. He served as Research Assistant Professor and Director of Bioinformatics from the year 1999 to 2000 and Adjunct Professor, Departments of Crop & Soil Sciences and Genetics from the year 2000 to 2001 at the Clemson University Genomics Institute. Dr. Wood is currently Adjunct Professor of Natural Sciences at Bryan College, Tennessee. He has published articles in secular journals like The American Journal of Human Genetics, Science, Theoretical and Applied Genetics, and Genome Research on biochemistry, genetics, and genomics. Dr. Wood is also a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, and the Society for Systematic Biology. He is also on the National Science Foundation adivsory committee for research project "Genomics of Polyploids," 2001-05.
6)Robert Franks, M.D. (Adjunct Faculty/Board Member)
He has a B.A. in Zoology (Magna Cum Laude) from San Diego State University, and a M.D. from UCLA. Dr. Franks has practiced medicine (general practice) for over forty years in San Diego. He currently teaches Introduction to Clinical Medicine at UCSD. He teaches Human Anatomy and Pathology here at the ICR graduate school. Dr. Franks has published research on Scalene Node Biopsy and Pulmonary Embolism.
7)Robert H. Eckel, M.D. (Technical Advisory Board)
He has a B.S. in Bacteriology from the University of Cincinnati and a M.D. from the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine. Dr. Eckel has authored over 120 papers and presented over 160 abstracts at both regional and national meetings. He has received over 60 research awards and has been a reviewer for over sixty journals including the American Journal of Medicine where he currently serves on the editorial board. Dr. Eckel is also chairman of the nutritional committee of the American Heart Association. He is currently professor of Medicine at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver, Colorado. He has also taught Biochemistry, Biophysics, and Genetics.
8)Gary Parker, Ed.D. Biology (Adjunct Faculty for ICR)
He has a B.A. in Biology/Chemistry(high honors) from Wabash College, Crawfordville, IN, a M.S. in Biology/Physiology, and an Ed.D. in Biology with a cognate in Paleontology from Ball State University. Dr. Parker earned several academic awards, including admission to Phi Beta Kappa (the national scholastic honorary), election to the American Society of Zoologists (for his research on tadpoles), and a fifteen-month fellowship award from the National Science Foundation. He also wrote five secular books including: The Structure and Function of the Cell, DNA: The Key to Life, Mitosis and Meiosis, Heredity, and Life's Basis: Biomolecules. Dr. Parker's masters thesis concerning amphibian endocrinology was published in Copeia and a summary of his doctoral dissertation on programmed instruction was published in the Journal of College Science Teaching. He has taught biology at Eastern Baptist College, Dordt College, Clearwater Christian College, Christian Heritage College, and ICR's Graduate School.
9)Andre Eggen, Ph.D. Animal/Molecular Genetics
Dr. Eggen received a B.Sc. in Agronomy and Animal Production and a Ph.D. in Animal and Molecular Genetics from the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. Since 1992, he has been working for the INRA (Institute Nationale de la Agrinominque of France). From July 1995 to July 1997, he worked at ABS Global, an artificial insemination company in DeForest, WI, in their DNA Research Lab. Dr. Eggen has published over 60 papers in journals including Genetics Selection Evolution, Molecular Biology and Evolution, and continues to work with the INRA in bovine genomics.
10)Walter J. Veith, Ph.D. Zoology
He has a B.Sc. from the University of Stellenbosch with major subjects Zoology and Chemistry, a B.Sc.and M.Sc. in Zoology from the University of Stellenbosch and a Ph.D. in Zoology from the University of Cape Town. Dr. Veith is currently professor and chair of the Zoology Department, University of the Western Cape. He has been teaching at the under and post-graduate level for over 28 years.
"Then what did "all this" come from?"
Biology doesn't care.
Sure looks like you are answering a question but not the one I asked.
Personal attack aside, you have a penchant for personal attacks,
Oh really, Mr. Pot????
If you were in my class, you would receive an F.
"Secondly, didn't Darwin himself die not believing and protesting his own evolution theory?" It is to Darwin's credit as a Scientist that he was honest enough to express doubts about the validity of his theory of evolution. These are recorded in the sixth chapter of his book on the origins of the species and this chapter is entitled "Difficulties on Theory" (Darwin C., 1974). Some difficulties are also recorded in other chapters.
None of these charlatans have ever written a peer reviewed paper on evolutionary biology. They are all out of their field when speaking on evolution.
.....as distinguished from an opinion.......
or to sharpen the statement a tad "as distinguished from literalist interpretation of creation myths".
I was making a grammar point. "God created the world in six days," is a fact, too. It's either true or false. Also, it's possible that I look exactly like Catherine Zeta-Jones.
"None of these charlatans have ever written a peer reviewed paper on evolutionary biology. They are all out of their field when speaking on evolution"
Explain how you know this!
I have not been able to find a scientific paper in a reputable peer reviewed scientific journal or other publication by a creation science/ID proponent (on evolution). Of course, anyone with a legitimate PhD would have a paper published on some subject or other. However, some of the "scientists" at creationist organizations degrees are suspect.
Dembski himself was tossed out of Baylor for being a fraud.
There is no science in creationism.
If you can find a paper, let me know.
Utter BS. If you ever took Freshman Chemistry, you should ask for your tuition back.
This is because chemical reactions always proceed in a direction from highest to lowest concentration. Nonsense.
For example, even if an amino acid (a building block of protein) could be made in seawater, the next instant, the law of mass action would eliminate it. The amino acid would hydrolyze with the abundant water—and return back into separate chemicals!
Nonsense. If you dissolve most amino acids in seawater, they will remain intact for millenia at room temperature. There are no hydrolytically labile bonds. You're just making this up, aren't you?
Oddly enough, many of the compounds in your body have to be kept separate—or they will mutually destroy one another! An example would be sugars and amino acids, when brought together.
More nonsense.
An oxygen-free atmosphere would have deadly peroxides, which would kill life forms.
Still more nonsense. You won't get peroxides at all in the absence of molecular oxygen.
By the way, for the last 20 years I've been a professor of chemistry. And in all those years, I've never seen such an incredible mass of complete chemical nonsense crammed into such a small space.
"I have not been able to find a scientific paper in a reputable peer reviewed scientific journal or other publication by a creation science/ID proponent (on evolution). "
- SO?
"Of course, anyone with a legitimate PhD would have a paper published on some subject or other. However, some of the "scientists" at creationist organizations degrees are suspect."
1)Duane Gish, Ph.D. Biochemistry (ICR)
... He has published approximately 40 articles in scientific journals.
"However, some of the "scientists" at creationist organizations degrees are suspect."
"Dembski himself was tossed out of Baylor for being a fraud."
- Which ones? Where's your proof?
I thought you were discussing evolution.
"By the way, for the last 20 years I've been a professor of chemistry. And in all those years, I've never seen such an incredible mass of complete chemical nonsense crammed into such a small space."
Then maybe you should do your students a favor and retire. None of the statements I made are made up. They are made from scientists just as or more qualified than yourself.
I'd be more than happy to provide you with my sources.
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