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Evolution of creationism: Pseudoscience doesn't stand up to natural selection
Daytona Beach News-Journal ^ | 29 November 2004 | Editorial (unsigned)

Posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:41 AM PST by PatrickHenry

In a poll released last week, two-thirds of Americans said they wanted to see creationism taught to public-school science pupils alongside evolution. Thirty-seven percent said they wanted to see creationism taught instead of evolution.

So why shouldn't majority rule? That's democracy, right?

Wrong. Science isn't a matter of votes -- or beliefs. It's a system of verifiable facts, an approach that must be preserved and fought for if American pupils are going to get the kind of education they need to complete in an increasingly global techno-economy.

Unfortunately, the debate over evolution and creationism is back, with a spiffy new look and a mass of plausible-sounding talking points, traveling under the seemingly secular name of "intelligent design."

This "theory" doesn't spend much time pondering which intelligence did the designing. Instead, it backwards-engineers its way into a complicated rationale, capitalizing on a few biological oddities to "prove" life could not have evolved by natural selection.

On the strength of this redesigned premise -- what Wired Magazine dubbed "creationism in a lab coat" -- school districts across the country are being bombarded by activists seeking to have their version given equal footing with established evolutionary theory in biology textbooks. School boards in Ohio, Georgia and most recently Dover, Pa., have all succumbed.

There's no problem with letting pupils know that debate exists over the origin of man, along with other animal and plant life. But peddling junk science in the name of "furthering the discussion" won't help their search for knowledge. Instead, pupils should be given a framework for understanding the gaps in evidence and credibility between the two camps.

A lot of the confusion springs from use of the word "theory" itself. Used in science, it signifies a maxim that is believed to be true, but has not been directly observed. Since evolution takes place over millions of years, it would be inaccurate to say that man has directly observed it -- but it is reasonable to say that evolution is thoroughly supported by a vast weight of scientific evidence and research.

That's not to say it's irrefutable. Some day, scientists may find enough evidence to mount a credible challenge to evolutionary theory -- in fact, some of Charles Darwin's original suppositions have been successfully challenged.

But that day has not come. As a theory, intelligent design is not ready to steal, or even share, the spotlight, and it's unfair to burden children with pseudoscience to further an agenda that is more political than academic.


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KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; evolution; unintelligentdesign
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To: donh
What you just suggested, regarding the flood was that evidence you can't see would controvert the evidence of the geological column in the Grand Canyon.

That may be what you infer, but that is not what I said. I would fully expect all geological data to support the humanly recorded account of a world wide flood. The Grand Canyon is but a fraction of the geological data that resides untounched and unseen by humans. If you want to put all your stock in a tiny fraction of the data and make extrapolations concerning a PROCESS that has yet to be witnessed by human be my guest. In that case you have more faith than most Bible preachers.

1,241 posted on 12/03/2004 12:27:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: donh
A few fossils out of place does not stand up against a few 100,000 in place.

Methinks you highly overestimate the quantity and quality of geological data available. Would you have called the past Presidential election at 7:00 a.m. on Election Day?

1,242 posted on 12/03/2004 12:31:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I would fully expect all geological data to support the humanly recorded account of a world wide flood.

The data do not support such a flood. One must thus assume the human recorders were mistaken.

1,243 posted on 12/03/2004 12:38:51 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: donh
. . . and piles of rock cannot be expected to lay out like grids on graph paper.

No, but they can be expected to follow the laws of nature as God established them just like everything else, and thus be capable of fitting together just the way they "came apart."

I am always amused at how evolutionists eschew intelligent design, yet with all their heads put together they could not establish and run a single law of nature, let alone all of them at once.

Please don't yak at me about "bait and switch" when after all the hub-bub about "facts" and "consistency" evolution has not the slightest notion how history will play itself out because it cannot test and predict the actual PROCESS of evolution. A better name for it would be "Hopeful History," for it is every bit as much lacking in solid facts as creationism. Even more so because it does not have a single human record from the past to back it up.

And face it. The number of fossils out of place could be 99% and you'd still champion the story telling that makes up 99% of evolution theories. Ad hoc rules and laws are a staple of your so-called science every bit as much as they are with creationism.

1,244 posted on 12/03/2004 12:53:44 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The data do not support such a flood.

How much volume comprises the so-called geological column?

1,245 posted on 12/03/2004 1:00:43 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why, we can't say that God did it that way. The current theory of evolution predicts a certain order of fossils. It predicts that all life will use the same basic molecules for its functions (polysaccharides, polypeptides, polynucleotides). It makes other predictions similarly. If these are not found to hold true, then the current theory will have to be modified. That's the mistake that creationists make. There is not one theory of evolution. We no longer believe that Darwin had everything exactly right. The basic principles of evolution via natural selection are still recognized, but nobody, for example, believes that Darwin had the exact phylogenetic tree correct. Many species have been found since Darwin's time. Evidence from the study of genetics (which wasn't known to Darwin) has arisen. The theory accepted by science is not the same as Darwin's theory. If you really want to be technical about it, Darwin's theory has been falsified and supplanted by a different, although admittedly very similar theory. I don't know what makes creationists think that if the current theory of evolution is falsified, that it logically follows that creationism (or ID) must be accepted. If the current theory of evolution is falsified, it will be replaced by another scientific theory, not some form of design theory or creationism.
1,246 posted on 12/03/2004 1:05:24 PM PST by stremba
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To: donh; Fester Chugabrew

True. Someone on one of these threads once likened falsifying a theory to cutting down a tree. If you cut away a few of the minor branches, then the tree still stands. If you cut the tree at the trunk, the tree falls. If you find a single anomalous fossil, then that's not really a problem for the theory. However, if you start to find that a significant number of fossils appear out of place, then the theory has a problem. This is similar to cutting off most of the branches of a tree; the tree will die if you cut off enough of them. There are other observations, however, that would be serious enough to be extremely problematic for evolution. Evolution predicts common descent. Therefore finding an organism which doesn't use polynucleotides for heredity would be a more serious problem than a few out of place fossils. Finding a wildly out of place fossil, such as a human fossil that was reliably dated as being over one billion years old in a precambrian rock layer would similarly be a serious problem for evolution. I would liken such hypothetical observations to cutting the tree down at the trunk. The point still remains, however, that it is, at least in principle, possible to falsify evolution. There is no "God did it" type excuse to handle any possible observation as there is in creationism.


1,247 posted on 12/03/2004 1:13:06 PM PST by stremba
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Reminds of the Cosby Noah sketch:

What's a cubit?


1,248 posted on 12/03/2004 1:13:39 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

A cubit is a squarebit to the three-halves power.


1,249 posted on 12/03/2004 1:14:25 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Fester Chugabrew

Is it even true that all human cultures have a flood story? I would be interested in hearing the Chinese version of the flood or the Aztec version, for example. I know that these people knew nothing of God, but surely they would have noticed all that water, right?


1,250 posted on 12/03/2004 1:16:42 PM PST by stremba
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To: stremba

Of course they must have a flood story; they are all descendents of Noah, since everyone else was dead.


1,251 posted on 12/03/2004 1:19:05 PM PST by stremba
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To: stremba
The Indians in this area don't seem to have flood stories. Such stories are not universal; they seem to occur mostly in riparian and littoral tribes.
1,252 posted on 12/03/2004 1:21:49 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

How do you know no humans observed things a million years ago?


1,253 posted on 12/03/2004 1:21:56 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

It is the same context. Yom means indefinite period of time. What is your evidence to the contrary?


1,254 posted on 12/03/2004 1:22:52 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

As I pointed out earlier in my BUSTED post, you have used physics as constant and variant, depending how your argument was going.


1,255 posted on 12/03/2004 1:24:08 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
How much volume comprises the so-called geological column?

5,140,631,390 cubic kilometers

1,256 posted on 12/03/2004 1:24:32 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Then stop saying there are any Laws of physics in your arguments.


1,257 posted on 12/03/2004 1:25:06 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Hey. I'm only answering a fool according to his folly."

Must be talking to yourself, then.


1,258 posted on 12/03/2004 1:26:13 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: stremba
Evolution predicts common descent.

Evolution predicts nothing. It is an assumed construct that can be made to fit the world as it exists. Evolution is a process, and in order for it to be verified it must be observed as it happens, not just as it supposedly happened. There is a world of difference. Who are we kidding to think one can look at static data from the past and then make "predicitions" based soley on dead matter (as it still stands in the record, no less!), and then have the audacity to call it "science?" If evolution wants to maintain a reputation as science, let it predict and observe the process as it happens. Otherwise it should be treated with no less skepticism in the marketplace of objective truth than any other narrative of history.

1,259 posted on 12/03/2004 1:33:35 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: stremba
Is it even true that all human cultures have a flood story?

Most, if not all of them, do.

1,260 posted on 12/03/2004 1:38:32 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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