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Pacers Pistons game ends up in major violence ... WOW
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Posted on 11/19/2004 7:54:02 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Big time fist throwing. Fans, players and more. Any thoughts ?


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To: FITZ

Artest was too hot headed to give security a chance to deal with it. He decided to take matters into his owns hands.


721 posted on 11/20/2004 9:56:56 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: FITZ
I still find it hard to believe the defense of Artest "just laying on the scoring table". More of the "I can do whatever the he!! I want to" attitude presented by many pro sports athletes.
722 posted on 11/20/2004 9:58:19 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Keep your families away from this sh*t.

The saddest picture I saw was of father sitting with his young daughter. He had look on his face that said "I don't know what I'm doing here and I'll never be back".

723 posted on 11/20/2004 10:00:22 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: jennyjenny

Again, couldn't agree more that the fan was wrong. But Artest was wronger [sic] for going after him.


724 posted on 11/20/2004 10:02:49 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: FITZ

WHO here has tried to justify the beer fan's action??? Read my posts -- he's a jacka** and should be fully prosecuted by the appropriate authorities.

So should Artest and the rest of his posse.


725 posted on 11/20/2004 10:04:25 AM PST by mn-bush-man
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To: iconoclast
The saddest picture I saw was of father sitting with his young daughter. He had look on his face that said "I don't know what I'm doing here and I'll never be back".

It's a mad house!

They've turned the game into a nightmare.

726 posted on 11/20/2004 10:04:47 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: SouthTexas
More of the "I can do whatever the he!! I want to" attitude presented by many pro sports athletes.

And the fans. If no one ended up in the hospital after being slugged by Artest --- then I would say he barely punched anyone. A guy that size could do real damage with one blow if he chose to.

727 posted on 11/20/2004 10:05:52 AM PST by FITZ
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To: mn-bush-man

Every single one of the "fans" who threw beer or chairs at the players needs to go to jail. Even afer the game was called off and the players were headed to the locker room the beer throwing continued. First send the fans to jail, then go after the players. No one has the right to assault anyone by throwing beer and chairs at them.


728 posted on 11/20/2004 10:07:48 AM PST by FITZ
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To: mn-bush-man
Again, couldn't agree more that the fan was wrong. But Artest was wronger [sic] for going after him.

Maybe you're the type who would just sit there and take things being thrown at you --- maybe you'd have no choice but to cover your head with your arms and meekly take it or you'd run away and get laughed at for it --- but the beer throwing has been going on for a while now --- the fact that no one has addressed the issue of the unruly fans --- until Artest did --- is the problem. Why pay security at all if this kind of thing just goes on?

729 posted on 11/20/2004 10:11:07 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
No one has the right to assault anyone by throwing beer and chairs at them.

Especially the latter -- a flying chair can kill someone. Tossing beer isn't in the same league.

There seems to be a tendency by some to blame either the players or the fans in this mess, but the truth is that both are at fault. ......the chair throwers and Artest being the worst offenders, of course.

730 posted on 11/20/2004 10:13:23 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Types_with_Fist
Yes, I think we can say the fan's behavior and Artest's behavior was equally "professional."

I wouldn't say equally. The beer was thrown first --- that's how the whole thing got started --- the "fan" did it exactly to provoke a reaction. The players are being paid money to play a game --- not to have beer and chairs thrown at them. Honestly --- if someone you had no quarrel with just came up and threw something at you, would you have no reaction at all? You would just meekly stand there and take it?

731 posted on 11/20/2004 10:15:22 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
The fans are mirroring their "stars". Not defending their actions either, just tired of those defending the players actions, here and ESPN, as justified. He was right in walking away from the confrontation, reclining on the scorer's table was the beginning of wrong decisions.
732 posted on 11/20/2004 10:16:31 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: ElRushbo

It looks like not many people agree with you. I sure do. The players know that there are cameras and security almost always gets the person who threw something and they have their season tickets taken away. So they are punished. Artest and Oneil? were WAY over the line.

The fans are drunk and wrong but that is no excuse for their players to take the law into their own hands.Nobody in society is allowed to take the law into their own hands. To chase someone down and punch them in the face for throwing a cup or bottle at you is not allowed. A large percentage of basketball (other sports too) players would be in jail or close to it if it were not for their skills at throwing a ball through a hoop.

They are protected and treated as if they dont have to pay for their crimes especially in college and afterwards. They get away with a lot of stuff that would have put them in prison if it were not for the special protection.

The bottom line is a player cannot go into the stands and punch the lights out of "fans". A couple fans who did nothing wrong at all will be getting rich. Their only mistake was in paying good hard earned money to watch a "few" spoiled thugs perform.


733 posted on 11/20/2004 10:17:23 AM PST by winodog (We need to water the liberty tree)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I would guess it would depend on what caused the mild injuries that resulted. If Artest actually seriously injured someone then he should be prosecuted --- but it doesn't appear that he did injure anyone. The chair throwers should go to prison not jail --- their actions were meant to seriously injure anyone.


734 posted on 11/20/2004 10:17:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Citizen James
The ultimate link (after clicking through drudge and everything in-between) - and only one that worked (about 80meg, DivX):
http://www.shockpoint.com/pacers_pistons_brawl.avi
735 posted on 11/20/2004 10:18:31 AM PST by solitas
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To: FITZ
who would just sit there and take things being thrown at you

I tell you what, if I'm a player making 6 or 7 figures annually and my choice is either to phycially go after a guy who I suspected threw beer at me and possibly destroy my whole career (and all the money that comes with it) as a result or just bite my lip and head on into the locker room as quickly as possible, I'd do the latter. How about you?

736 posted on 11/20/2004 10:18:39 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: SouthTexas
reclining on the scorer's table was the beginning of wrong decisions.

But totally non-violent and the game officials could have handled that --- it should not have provoked a drunken fan to throw anything at him.

737 posted on 11/20/2004 10:20:29 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
if someone you had no quarrel with just came up and threw something at you, would you have no reaction at all?

Well, I'm not a "professional" athlete at a public event. I CAN tell you that I wouldn't callously endanger others in my reaction or attack someone who had nothing to do with the thrown cup... like your hero the wannabe rap star and thug Artest did.

738 posted on 11/20/2004 10:22:32 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
or just bite my lip and head on into the locker room

That's probably why you're not a player making 6 or 7 figures a year. I tend to duck when balls come flying through the air at me --- just my natural instincts and why I'm not too great in sports.

739 posted on 11/20/2004 10:22:38 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
You're evading the point, of course. I'll try again: If you were in Artest's shoes would you physically go after the fan you suspected threw beer at you - he ended up going after the wrong guy, btw - or get the hell out of there as fast as possible before you got yourself into a heap of trouble?
740 posted on 11/20/2004 10:25:52 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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