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To: Types_with_Fist
Yes, I think we can say the fan's behavior and Artest's behavior was equally "professional."

I wouldn't say equally. The beer was thrown first --- that's how the whole thing got started --- the "fan" did it exactly to provoke a reaction. The players are being paid money to play a game --- not to have beer and chairs thrown at them. Honestly --- if someone you had no quarrel with just came up and threw something at you, would you have no reaction at all? You would just meekly stand there and take it?

731 posted on 11/20/2004 10:15:22 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
if someone you had no quarrel with just came up and threw something at you, would you have no reaction at all?

Well, I'm not a "professional" athlete at a public event. I CAN tell you that I wouldn't callously endanger others in my reaction or attack someone who had nothing to do with the thrown cup... like your hero the wannabe rap star and thug Artest did.

738 posted on 11/20/2004 10:22:32 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: FITZ
The incident started WAY before the fan threw the beer (or whatever it was). On the preceding play, Artest was fouled, came back with a retaliatory (flagrant?, unnecessary for sure) foul on the other end. Then the situation escalated on the court. Artest then decided to recline on the scoring table, then the beer was thrown.
741 posted on 11/20/2004 10:26:56 AM PST by SouthTexas
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To: FITZ
I wouldn't say equally. The beer was thrown first --- that's how the whole thing got started --- the "fan" did it exactly to provoke a reaction. The players are being paid money to play a game --- not to have beer and chairs thrown at them. Honestly --- if someone you had no quarrel with just came up and threw something at you, would you have no reaction at all? You would just meekly stand there and take it?

You, and everyone, who compares this to being attacked on the street is making one big mistake. This was not to random individuals on the street. This was at a place of work with security. To me it is more like a courtroom. Where defendants have attacked people before. Ususally, the Judge does not fly off his chair, but leaves it for a bailif to restore order.

Being hit by a half empty cup, when there is securty, is not a cause to attack someone. Artest could have had that fan ejected and arrested. Instead he over-reacted, and escalated the incident. For any fan other than the beer thrower, to have a NBA player charge into the crowd near you, and have no idea who he is planning to attack. I am surprised they did not take Artest down as a group. Simple, in this case, Artest was not under any threat of being further assulted. He chose to go into an opposing crowd to meed out some street justice. No matter what he had hit in that crowd, he was wrong.

As for Ben Wallace, yea his action were bad, traditional basketball bad. Give him his few games. His actions were within the game. Artest attacked paying fans who had nothing to do with the beer. That is unjustifiable. His mistake is not justified, because it was not reasonable or necessary for him to defend himself from a 1/2 empty plastic cup.

763 posted on 11/20/2004 11:00:03 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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