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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Springfield Reformer
I now recognize the possibility that this is what is called a genetic fallacy, defined in Wikipedia as “a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something or someone’s origin rather than its current meaning or context.”

You have the root word fallacy that imagines the root must define how it is used today.

My, you look nice today.” That sounds like a kind thing to say, right? But imagine if you said this to a woman who then slapped you, screaming: “How dare you insult me! The word nice comes from an old French word nice that means “careless, clumsy; weak; poor, needy; simple, stupid, silly, foolish.” And that French word in turn comes from an even older Latin term, nescius. That word is made up of ne-, which means “not,” and scire, which means “to know” and it related to our word science. The Latin word means ignorant. So you just called me stupid and ignorant! How dare you!” - http://www.rightreason.org/2013/nuts-and-bolts-016-the-root-fallacy/

But in defining how a word was originally used by what it came to denote (like priest ), you have the etymological fallacy that

holds, erroneously, that the present-day meaning of a word or phrase should necessarily be similar to its historical meaning...A variant of the etymological fallacy involves...claiming that a word should be used in a particular way because it has a particular etymology...The word apologize comes from the Greek word ἀπολογία (apologia) which originally only meant "a speech in defence"...The word began to be used eventually as only expressing regret mainly because words of remorse would often accompany explanations, - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy.

941 posted on 10/08/2014 8:23:29 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Springfield Reformer
As for the creditability of any given scholar, being an attorney who likes to win, I am fine with impeaching a witness. But the impeachment must have better form than “Well, he’s a Protestant.” That would never sell in court.

How about something like "since the Catholic church has decreed that Catholic doctrine, as authoritatively proposed by the Church, has the same God as its author as the Scriptures it is the steward of, then Catholic doctrine should be the supreme law, and all interpretation is foolish and false which is opposed to the doctrine of the Church." If she does say autocratically so herself.

942 posted on 10/08/2014 8:44:40 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: af_vet_1981

Sorry, I'm fresh out of patience on this issue.

Too many tax collectors.

Send the bill to those on your own "team".

943 posted on 10/08/2014 10:45:51 AM PDT by BlueDragon (...they murdered some of them bums...for thinking wrong thoughts)
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To: af_vet_1981

God works in mysterious ways...

That was an excellent quote, it was great to read it again!


944 posted on 10/08/2014 11:09:36 AM PDT by Syncro (The Body of Christ [His church]: Made up of every born again Christian. Source--Jesus in the Bible)
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To: Syncro

bump


945 posted on 10/08/2014 11:48:48 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

You’re making no sense at all.


946 posted on 10/08/2014 12:16:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Springfield Reformer; sasportas

Playing tag with logic.

The meaning of Nicolaitan is also obvious because we know that Yeshua despised the Pharisees, who were certainly nicolaitans of that time.

The vast majority of Yeshua’s earthly ministry was centered on discrediting and making fools of the Pharisees.

His first miracle was to mock their hand washing pots by making wine in them

[6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews...

And from then onward, every time he encountered them he found a way of ridiculing one of their Takanot.

Nicolaitans were then, as they are even more so now, the greatest stumbling block to the spread of his Way.

Those that are themselves nicolaitans do chafe at this, as would be expected.


947 posted on 10/08/2014 12:26:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: LadyDoc; Rides_A_Red_Horse

>> “of course one sardonic carpenter said not all those who say lord lord will enter the kingdom, but only those who does the work of the father.” <<

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Amen!

That sentence encapsulates the core message of the entire New Testament.

Everyone thinks that verse means someone else.
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948 posted on 10/08/2014 12:30:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Playing tag with truth. If Nicolaitan means what you say, in context, make your case. Jesus used logic. God invented logic. No need to hide from the logic unless you’ve got no case.


949 posted on 10/08/2014 1:12:29 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: editor-surveyor; Elsie

Yes he did but it has evidently gone clear over your head.


950 posted on 10/08/2014 1:29:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: LadyDoc; boatbums; CynicalBear; metmom; caww

What? I say a simple formula to get saved? Presto! Halleluyah!

Then I guess I can go around proudy ridiculing everyone since I am saved, not like the rest of you sinners.


No.

We had a heated discussion about whether Jesus was sufficient for salvation. It seems some are reluctant to make that simple statement.

Of course to be saved one must put their faith upon Him. There’s no other way to the Kingdom of God.

What do you believe?


951 posted on 10/08/2014 3:36:09 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Religion Moderator

“The phrase “seem to me” makes the statement an expression of the poster’s own mind rather than a reading of the correspondent’s mind.”

That’s what lawyers call a “loophole.”


952 posted on 10/08/2014 3:44:28 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: af_vet_1981; BlueDragon

No, my points are more nuanced than that.


“Nuanced?” John Kerry would approve your message.


953 posted on 10/08/2014 3:51:33 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: dsc
Snicker
954 posted on 10/08/2014 4:06:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: editor-surveyor
At the time that Paul made this clear statement, obviously no writings of the word had been made in any other language.

At the time Paul was around, there already WAS a Greek translation of the Hebrew books of Moses - and probably some of the prophets, as well. Ever hear of the Septuagint? Your "obviously" isn't obvious at all!

955 posted on 10/08/2014 4:20:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor
No book of the NT was written originally in any language but Hebrew. The abundant clumsy cultural errors in all of the Greek language epistles shows beyond a shadow of doubt that whoever did the Greek writings had no understanding of the apostles nor their Hebrew culture. The desire to defeat God’s word makes people wish to believe almost any foolish fable. The clumsy errors of the Greek translations on every Hebrew feast or other cultural matter are there for all to see, to be understood by believers, and deliberately ignored by unbelievers.

Why don't you ever post proof of the contentions you make? Where are all the manuscript fragments of these "original" NT documents? What proof do you have other than conjecture, supposition and modern-day legend and myth? Do you expect anyone who knows anything about textual criticism to just concede you are right and Christians for the last two thousand years have been missing out on all the fullness of the truth God wants to give?

The "desire to defeat God's word" sounds like it is coming from yours and Michael Rood's side than that of those who believe God can communicate HIS truth no matter what language it is spoken/written in. Your view is the one that seems to be deliberately ignoring that point and depends upon foolish fables.

BTW...do you speak and read fluent Hebrew? If not, who are you to be telling genuine believers they can't understand God's word and are really unbelievers?

956 posted on 10/08/2014 4:39:43 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Syncro
All this talk and accusations of Christians self "interpreting" the Bible is just a way of distracting from the message and pointing to the knowledge of men...and one woman...instead of Jesus, The Word.

It's just a diversionary tactic and one used by the RCC to convince its followers that they can't understand Scripture and thus to keep them away from simply reading and following it.

There's far less interpretation needed for Scripture than is imagined by the average RC.

They just use it as an excuse to not read and obey.

957 posted on 10/08/2014 6:00:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, as a Catholic I pray for the dead; including my younger brother, my family members and friends who have gone before me. If you find this wrong, don’t do it.

Anything else you do not understand?


958 posted on 10/08/2014 7:00:45 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: CynicalBear
It is good to read the Holy Bible every once in a while before opining about it.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel. (Douay)

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (KJV)
Observe this grammatical wonder: Our Lady's seed is "it" in one part of the sentence but it is equipped with "his heel". Not "its heel".

The point remains that however you render it, Mary is right there in the context in which the crushing occurs.

959 posted on 10/08/2014 8:27:42 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: BlueDragon

I answered what you asked, to my knowledge. If I missed something, ask again. Short sentences and short posts work best.


960 posted on 10/08/2014 8:29:48 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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