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How the GOP Is On the Road Towards Certain Defeat
PJ Media ^ | 04/21/2016 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our convoluted primary system evolved to allow voters a more direct voice in choosing a candidate who can win a general election. Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses. It’s a shame then -- in what should be a Republican year -- that GOP primary voters appear to want to lose the presidency once again.

If the candidate at the top of the ticket is roundly defeated, the toll could also take down many Republicans running for the House and the Senate.

The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton. When Trump is put up next to Clinton, polls show her winning by 9.3 points. Ted Cruz also loses to Clinton by a smaller amount, within the margin of error, but still Clinton wins.

The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

Relying on other polls of the general election chances for the candidates going state-by-state, analysts like Nate Silver predict that Kasich is more than likely to come in second to Trump in states like New York and Maryland. He is also likely to come in second in some northeastern states in which primaries have not yet taken place. However, these polls reveal that in a general election, neither Cruz nor Trump would get these voters’ support, and some of them are likely to vote for Hillary Clinton if either becomes the GOP nominee.

Yes, it is possible for Ted Cruz to get the nomination, but betting on Cruz is risky. As the election heats up, count on the Democrats using social issues to defeat him -- emphasizing Cruz’s position on abortion (no exceptions at all) and gay rights, which a majority of the public, including young Republicans, now support. They will hit hard on his proposed economic policies, from the proposed flat tax to a foreign policy seemingly meant to differentiate himself from the isolationist Ron Paul and the neo-conservative Marco Rubio. Count on Clinton making mincemeat of his call to deal with ISIS by carpet bombing.

Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans. On immigration, Cruz has sought to out-Trump Trump by committing to also building a wall on the Mexican border. Despite himself being Hispanic, he will obviously lose the growing Hispanic vote.

As for Kasich, I know all the arguments against supporting him: he is a liberal Democrat in disguise; he accepted Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio; he will compromise with Democrats rather than fight them if president.

If you look at his record as governor, however, it is clear that he is not a liberal. A report in the Boston Globe puts it this way:

Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

No wonder the dean of liberal columnists, E.J. Dionne, wrote the following about him a few days ago:

The problem for Kasich involves his solutions. In his speech Tuesday, he proposed a balanced budget; a freeze on most federal regulations; tax cuts for individuals and businesses; sending “welfare, education, Medicaid, highway infrastructure and job training” programs back to the states; a guest worker program; and fixes to Social Security that would certainly involve some cuts.

In other words, Kasich supports the same agenda conservatives were offering in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. It’s an approach that even many in the GOP -- particularly working-class Trump supporters -- now see as inadequate, opting instead for a dangerous populism and a strong nationalist position. As Trump said yesterday, he favors an “America first” policy.

So those conservatives who continually attack Kasich for being a liberal and not a true conservative are either doing so because they are not aware of his record as governor of Ohio, or they are responding to his personality and ignoring what he believes and what he has accomplished in Ohio.

The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016? If the answer is "win," their support should be thrown to Kasich at a contested convention. If they want the GOP to remain “pure,” they will support the most conservative candidate out there -- Ted Cruz -- even though he cannot win, despite being closer to Clinton in the Electoral College vote. If they choose the populist Trump, there will be a landslide for Hillary Clinton come Election Day.

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.

So who do you really prefer -- a John Kasich with faults you can easily cite that are quite real, but who could actually win, or Hillary Clinton? Republicans and conservatives should think clearly before they answer that.



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To: goldstategop

Yes, Mrs. Bill does not need AR to win, but she may yet get it.


81 posted on 04/21/2016 12:59:08 PM PDT by Theodore R. (I shudder to think what the American people will do on November 8, 2016.)
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To: John O

Buckeyes though would prefer Kasich to Mrs. Bill, or would they? They might just decide to keep Kasich in Columbus and send Mrs. Bill from Chappaqua to D.C.


82 posted on 04/21/2016 1:00:41 PM PDT by Theodore R. (I shudder to think what the American people will do on November 8, 2016.)
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83 posted on 04/21/2016 1:26:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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To: grania
Until a few weeks before, Trump had a pretty good lead. Then Romney came to town.

I'm really not thinking well of my birthplace if Mitt Romney actually turned that election for him.


84 posted on 04/21/2016 1:33:31 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: John O
electing Kasich is exactly the same as electing hilliary

Yup. It would just throw a GOP fig leaf over all the big-government socialism they would do.


85 posted on 04/21/2016 1:34:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans.

He says that as if it's a good thing.

Did this guy fall asleep in 2005?

86 posted on 04/21/2016 1:35:39 PM PDT by MaxFlint
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I'm really not thinking well of my birthplace if Mitt Romney actually turned that election for him.

I'm really not thinking well of a majority of Republicans in my adopted state unless there's some rational explanation why Kasich won in the primary.

87 posted on 04/21/2016 1:37:10 PM PDT by grania
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If the election were held today, who would be your first choice for President of the United States?


Who would be your first choice for Donald Trump's running mate?

Who would be your first choice for Donald Trump's running mate?



88 posted on 04/21/2016 2:20:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: erkelly
Well, T**** is not going to win in November, either. Now that he has exposed himself to be the liberal that he is, he has no chance. I'm quite confident he lost a good percentage of the social conservative folks today by displaying his New York values for all to see.

His penchant for raising taxes on the rich is not new, but it serves as a good reminder there is no intellectual honesty among his supporters.

T**** will not win in November. Too many voters think he is wretched. I agree. For the first time in my life, I will either be not voting, writing in or voting for an alternative. I live in Virginia. T**** needs me and I'm not biting.

89 posted on 04/21/2016 2:30:57 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: Charlie Browns Gun
When it's all over, and Trump and Hillary are the candidates, the voters will be faced with two choices. I'm afraid that the choices will be somewhat similar.

As we get further and further into the process, we see our presumptive nominee revealing more and more of his liberal views on issues, and the further we get from choosing a nominee who is conservative.

This seems to be the same process that happened with Obama when he first ran. Things were ignored by the media, issues were glossed over, his communist and muslim leanings disappeared from sight. There was a ground swell to elected the first Black President, no matter what. Calls of racism were used against any who questioned the anointed one.

Now we are face with another ground swell to elect anyone that can draw enough attention to himself, and gloss over issues, and specifics. Anything and anyone to win, seems to be the call. Name calling seems to be the game, just like any bully in the school yard.

Conservatives, who just a year ago were great, are now perceived as evil. Religious views are held up to contempt, and social issues are shoved to the side, so the the presumptive nominee can sweep into the nomination with a plurality of support.

Intimidation, name calling, demagoguery, all seem to be fair game. I'll vote for the Republican nominee, but I fear that if this kind of process continues during the General Election, we will lose.

I also feel that neither Hillary or Bernie will be the Democrat nominee. Biden, Warren, or even Gore, will appear as the Democrat white knight, once Hillary is indicted, and the Dems are faced with fielding a communist nominee.

90 posted on 04/21/2016 5:06:09 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Resolute Conservative

The uni-party operation has worked, a dimocrap running on both tickets in the general.

BINGO!


91 posted on 04/21/2016 5:09:24 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: Cyberman
"The GOP Establishment knows that Hillary will play ball on the open-borders cheap-labor issues and Trump won’t. Ergo, they prefer to have her win."

And TPP and all the Regime Change you can stand.

Hell, she might even bring Ukraine into NATO...the NeoCons would erect a statue of her then.

92 posted on 04/21/2016 5:30:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind
The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016...according to the polls I've seen, only about 10% of the Republican voters are choosing their candidate based on whether they think he can win in November - of course the rest may decide their priorities should have been different should they wake up the morning after the election with Hillary on the way to the White House and let's say Eric Holder on the way to the Supreme Court.....
93 posted on 04/21/2016 9:10:20 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Yulee

“I also feel that neither Hillary or Bernie will be the Democrat nominee.” THis is just wishful thinking. Clinton isn’t going to be indicted. Just like she won’t be held accountable for Banghazi. I’ts better to deal in reality than it is to hold out for unrealistic pipe dreams.


94 posted on 04/26/2016 11:22:17 AM PDT by Charlie Browns Gun
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