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How the GOP Is On the Road Towards Certain Defeat
PJ Media ^ | 04/21/2016 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our convoluted primary system evolved to allow voters a more direct voice in choosing a candidate who can win a general election. Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses. It’s a shame then -- in what should be a Republican year -- that GOP primary voters appear to want to lose the presidency once again.

If the candidate at the top of the ticket is roundly defeated, the toll could also take down many Republicans running for the House and the Senate.

The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton. When Trump is put up next to Clinton, polls show her winning by 9.3 points. Ted Cruz also loses to Clinton by a smaller amount, within the margin of error, but still Clinton wins.

The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

Relying on other polls of the general election chances for the candidates going state-by-state, analysts like Nate Silver predict that Kasich is more than likely to come in second to Trump in states like New York and Maryland. He is also likely to come in second in some northeastern states in which primaries have not yet taken place. However, these polls reveal that in a general election, neither Cruz nor Trump would get these voters’ support, and some of them are likely to vote for Hillary Clinton if either becomes the GOP nominee.

Yes, it is possible for Ted Cruz to get the nomination, but betting on Cruz is risky. As the election heats up, count on the Democrats using social issues to defeat him -- emphasizing Cruz’s position on abortion (no exceptions at all) and gay rights, which a majority of the public, including young Republicans, now support. They will hit hard on his proposed economic policies, from the proposed flat tax to a foreign policy seemingly meant to differentiate himself from the isolationist Ron Paul and the neo-conservative Marco Rubio. Count on Clinton making mincemeat of his call to deal with ISIS by carpet bombing.

Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans. On immigration, Cruz has sought to out-Trump Trump by committing to also building a wall on the Mexican border. Despite himself being Hispanic, he will obviously lose the growing Hispanic vote.

As for Kasich, I know all the arguments against supporting him: he is a liberal Democrat in disguise; he accepted Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio; he will compromise with Democrats rather than fight them if president.

If you look at his record as governor, however, it is clear that he is not a liberal. A report in the Boston Globe puts it this way:

Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

No wonder the dean of liberal columnists, E.J. Dionne, wrote the following about him a few days ago:

The problem for Kasich involves his solutions. In his speech Tuesday, he proposed a balanced budget; a freeze on most federal regulations; tax cuts for individuals and businesses; sending “welfare, education, Medicaid, highway infrastructure and job training” programs back to the states; a guest worker program; and fixes to Social Security that would certainly involve some cuts.

In other words, Kasich supports the same agenda conservatives were offering in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. It’s an approach that even many in the GOP -- particularly working-class Trump supporters -- now see as inadequate, opting instead for a dangerous populism and a strong nationalist position. As Trump said yesterday, he favors an “America first” policy.

So those conservatives who continually attack Kasich for being a liberal and not a true conservative are either doing so because they are not aware of his record as governor of Ohio, or they are responding to his personality and ignoring what he believes and what he has accomplished in Ohio.

The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016? If the answer is "win," their support should be thrown to Kasich at a contested convention. If they want the GOP to remain “pure,” they will support the most conservative candidate out there -- Ted Cruz -- even though he cannot win, despite being closer to Clinton in the Electoral College vote. If they choose the populist Trump, there will be a landslide for Hillary Clinton come Election Day.

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.

So who do you really prefer -- a John Kasich with faults you can easily cite that are quite real, but who could actually win, or Hillary Clinton? Republicans and conservatives should think clearly before they answer that.



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1 posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“NBC-Wall Street Journal poll”
LOL


2 posted on 04/21/2016 9:07:41 AM PDT by Donglalinger
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To: SeekAndFind

Horse feces...


3 posted on 04/21/2016 9:08:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Absurd nonsense, meaningless poll! If the RNC pulls a fast one over the objections of the voters, Kasich is not going to defeat Hillary. Factor that into your poll!


4 posted on 04/21/2016 9:08:34 AM PDT by erkelly
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To: SeekAndFind

“Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.”

The problem with that is that K-sick isn’t a conservative, so we’re back to Trump, because sCruze is dead man walking. and using this jerks logic, would loose to Hillary even worse than Trump! (which is all BS anyway)


5 posted on 04/21/2016 9:09:46 AM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, the GOP Establishment put $100 million dollars behind Cheap Labor Express Jebby. That’s how badly they wanted to lose.

DT shook up their plans and Jebby went crawling back to Mommy and Daddy after a few 4% days. I’m shocked 4% were stupid enough to support another open-borders Bush.

The GOP Establishment, supporting Hillary, knew that no “Bush” will ever be elected to President again. And for a lot of good reasons.

They had their Uniparty plans in place.


6 posted on 04/21/2016 9:11:01 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: erkelly

I seem to remember the exact same statements being made before Obama won twice. “Stupid Polls” “Liberal Media”. I’m so very afraid that we’re going to seee the same results in a few months and I just don’t know how we stop it from happening.


7 posted on 04/21/2016 9:11:34 AM PDT by Charlie Browns Gun
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To: SeekAndFind

Haha. “Breaking News,” REALLY?


8 posted on 04/21/2016 9:11:39 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

I'm sorry, but nobody....and, I do mean NOBODY....is going to join in a tsunami of support to sweep John Kasich into the White House. The guy is about as exciting as a bowl of Farina with a side of white toast.


9 posted on 04/21/2016 9:12:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump will win the nomination and defeat Hillary. How the “GOP” fares otherwise I could care less. Trump has done a hostile takeover of the “Republican Party” because it provides the best vehicle for accomplishing the above.


10 posted on 04/21/2016 9:13:34 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.
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These establishment types just can’t accept the fact that their “conservatives” got us into this pickle jar. If we are going to get out of the jar it will take someone willing to break the jar because the neck is just too narrow, now.

If Trump doesn’t make it, the we aren’t any worse off then we were before. The difference between Republicans and Democrats has been the speed with which we headed to perdition, not the direction.


11 posted on 04/21/2016 9:14:11 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SeekAndFind

What a bulls*** article...


12 posted on 04/21/2016 9:14:25 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ron Radosh is delusional.

Kasich? He hasn’t won a single state outside of his native OH.

Yeah, in NY he nabbed a few delegates and got like what - a quarter million votes?

And Radosh seriously says he could defeat Hillary? In some alternative universe.


13 posted on 04/21/2016 9:14:48 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: SeekAndFind

A poll that would be fun would be to give voters a list of issues that Kasich supports and actions he’s taken, without telling them who the candidate is. It sure would be fun to see who would be supporting him then.


14 posted on 04/21/2016 9:15:20 AM PDT by grania
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To: SeekAndFind

“certain defeat” because of polls in April?


15 posted on 04/21/2016 9:15:29 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump really, REALLY has the neocons spooked.

One more reason to like him.


16 posted on 04/21/2016 9:16:56 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Ryan never could have outfought Trump. I never knew, until this day, that it was Romney all along.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All the convoluted hand waving logic in the article is just nonsense. Slap enough varied crap against the wall and hope that which sticks makes a cohesive argument. Why not save space and shorten it to “I like Kasich.”


17 posted on 04/21/2016 9:17:01 AM PDT by DuhYup (The Bill of Rights is a package deal!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog




"DUDE!! I'm am like SO TOTALLY-bored!!! Just shut up!!!
18 posted on 04/21/2016 9:18:42 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Donglalinger; DoughtyOne; SeekAndFind; vette6387; SaveFerris

The Wall Street Journal Editorial pages trashed Trump for 122 consecutive days, with 10 guest editorials by Karl Rove. Soros has more credibility than the WSJ.

LOL


19 posted on 04/21/2016 9:19:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Dole, McLame and Romney were all great candidates?

Sorry, instead of letting the party bosses, or the media, or some polls pick the GOP candidate - this year the voters get their chance, and they picked Trump.

Time for all the Kasich and Cruz well-wishers to say goodbye and get on the Trump train.


20 posted on 04/21/2016 9:19:32 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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