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How the GOP Is On the Road Towards Certain Defeat
PJ Media ^ | 04/21/2016 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our convoluted primary system evolved to allow voters a more direct voice in choosing a candidate who can win a general election. Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses. It’s a shame then -- in what should be a Republican year -- that GOP primary voters appear to want to lose the presidency once again.

If the candidate at the top of the ticket is roundly defeated, the toll could also take down many Republicans running for the House and the Senate.

The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton. When Trump is put up next to Clinton, polls show her winning by 9.3 points. Ted Cruz also loses to Clinton by a smaller amount, within the margin of error, but still Clinton wins.

The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

Relying on other polls of the general election chances for the candidates going state-by-state, analysts like Nate Silver predict that Kasich is more than likely to come in second to Trump in states like New York and Maryland. He is also likely to come in second in some northeastern states in which primaries have not yet taken place. However, these polls reveal that in a general election, neither Cruz nor Trump would get these voters’ support, and some of them are likely to vote for Hillary Clinton if either becomes the GOP nominee.

Yes, it is possible for Ted Cruz to get the nomination, but betting on Cruz is risky. As the election heats up, count on the Democrats using social issues to defeat him -- emphasizing Cruz’s position on abortion (no exceptions at all) and gay rights, which a majority of the public, including young Republicans, now support. They will hit hard on his proposed economic policies, from the proposed flat tax to a foreign policy seemingly meant to differentiate himself from the isolationist Ron Paul and the neo-conservative Marco Rubio. Count on Clinton making mincemeat of his call to deal with ISIS by carpet bombing.

Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans. On immigration, Cruz has sought to out-Trump Trump by committing to also building a wall on the Mexican border. Despite himself being Hispanic, he will obviously lose the growing Hispanic vote.

As for Kasich, I know all the arguments against supporting him: he is a liberal Democrat in disguise; he accepted Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio; he will compromise with Democrats rather than fight them if president.

If you look at his record as governor, however, it is clear that he is not a liberal. A report in the Boston Globe puts it this way:

Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

No wonder the dean of liberal columnists, E.J. Dionne, wrote the following about him a few days ago:

The problem for Kasich involves his solutions. In his speech Tuesday, he proposed a balanced budget; a freeze on most federal regulations; tax cuts for individuals and businesses; sending “welfare, education, Medicaid, highway infrastructure and job training” programs back to the states; a guest worker program; and fixes to Social Security that would certainly involve some cuts.

In other words, Kasich supports the same agenda conservatives were offering in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. It’s an approach that even many in the GOP -- particularly working-class Trump supporters -- now see as inadequate, opting instead for a dangerous populism and a strong nationalist position. As Trump said yesterday, he favors an “America first” policy.

So those conservatives who continually attack Kasich for being a liberal and not a true conservative are either doing so because they are not aware of his record as governor of Ohio, or they are responding to his personality and ignoring what he believes and what he has accomplished in Ohio.

The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016? If the answer is "win," their support should be thrown to Kasich at a contested convention. If they want the GOP to remain “pure,” they will support the most conservative candidate out there -- Ted Cruz -- even though he cannot win, despite being closer to Clinton in the Electoral College vote. If they choose the populist Trump, there will be a landslide for Hillary Clinton come Election Day.

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.

So who do you really prefer -- a John Kasich with faults you can easily cite that are quite real, but who could actually win, or Hillary Clinton? Republicans and conservatives should think clearly before they answer that.



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To: SeekAndFind

Why should anyone vote Republican? There is Trump who raised the same thoughts in the minds of many, many Americans. Trump is being pilloried for those thoughts e.g. Americans are getting screwed by trade agreements, world policeman, illegal immigration, and no representation of the middle class working people. Without Trump there is no one to take up their cause. No one, period. Up yours, GOP, if you don’t like Trump, find another one.


41 posted on 04/21/2016 9:29:45 AM PDT by ex-snook (The one God sent Jesus here to show us the way.)
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To: SeekAndFind
In a Gallup poll on October 26th in 1980, two weeks before the election, Gallup had it Jimmy Carter 47, Ronald Reagan 39. That election two weeks later ended up in a landslide that was so big that Carter conceded before California closed.

Reagan Carter poll

Reagan can never beat Carter. The above cited poll proves it.

42 posted on 04/21/2016 9:33:29 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: LMAO

Right now Trump is going to lose.

Heck, any of them would lose.

But at least he’ll go down fighting.

Which is more than the GOP has given us in the past two elections.

I’m still expecting Cankles to be our next Prez.

I’ve said that since the fall and nothing to date has changed my view.

The prediction markets agree with me.


43 posted on 04/21/2016 9:34:37 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

See! More proof that even Trump supporters agree he’s been covered by the press at least 25 times more than Cruz has.

(all of it negative)


44 posted on 04/21/2016 9:34:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This sort of "analysis," based upon surveys taken before a campaign actually starts, take absurdity to an impressive level.

Before you discount a coming campaign, had you not better consider the past performance of a candidate? What do we know about Donald Trump's ability to deal with a seemingly unstoppable candidate--not damaged goods like Hillary Clinton--but a President's brother, with overwhelming support among a political establishment, and a sympathetic media--say a Jeb Bush?

Once Donald Trump started targeting Jeb Bush--literally, almost within a few days--the odds on favorite for the Republican nomination was in a tail spin. Is there any reason at all to believe that a candidate as damaged as Hillary Clinton--under felony investigation--will prove more durable?

Perhaps, conveniently, people have forgotten how Jeb Bush stood in the polls, last year, before the active interaction between the Republican candidates began. Some of us still remember!

45 posted on 04/21/2016 9:35:14 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SubMareener
If Trump doesn’t make it, the we aren’t any worse off then we were before.

Trump admittedly is not a straightline Conservative. If he can't win it tells me the country has progressed too far down the Bernie Sanders path, and it's all moot anyhow.


46 posted on 04/21/2016 9:37:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

This Ronald Radosh?

Ronald Radosh is an American writer, professor, historian, and former Marxist. As described in his memoirs, Radosh was, like his parents, a member of the Communist Party of the United States of America until the Khrushchev thaw. Wikipedia


47 posted on 04/21/2016 9:38:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Rush Limbaugh: Jeb Bush could mount a convention comeback)
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To: SeekAndFind

John.
Kasich.
Could.
Be.
DA.
MAN!


48 posted on 04/21/2016 9:38:20 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Off the NWO)
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To: Charlie Browns Gun

We all have to be aware of those. On the other hand, it is utterly absurd to think that Cruz, who couldn’t carry the REPUBLICAN nomination in FL (couldn’t carry a single county) or carry a single OH county, or a single NY county, who lost Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Arizona, Nevada, Virginia . . . in other words, the very states we would have to have to win a general election . . . can beat Cankles.

Ditto for Kay-sick, except he carried OH-—but lost MI, FL, AZ, NC, SC, and on and on.

So, the polling in question always and only has to be Trump. He’s the only one that matters. Is there reason to suspect some of it? Certainly at this time. The poll you cite of previous years were much later in the campaign year when it was one on one. We aren’t there yet.

But the point is, the other two options are worse in terms of the electoral college.


49 posted on 04/21/2016 9:39:04 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Ohioan

Yup.

The demographics in this country favor the Democrat in a presidential election.

Hillary has a solid blue firewall in states like CA, IL, NY, PA.

And from there all she has to do is pick up swing states like OH and FL to get 270.

That’s the only math that will really matter in November.


50 posted on 04/21/2016 9:39:25 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: grania

All Kasich had to do to win in Ohio was be not-Ted Strickland.

Nationally the bar will be set much, much higher.


51 posted on 04/21/2016 9:40:12 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LMAO

Yeah, I’m probably a little too cynical, but I’m seeing an almost exact duplication of the same attitudes we saw two years ago. I was laughed at, yelled at and called names for even suggesting that the polls were maybe something we should pay attention to. I really hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see how either Cruz or Trump can win with their negatives. And these are the numbers before Clinton’s oppo team and the media train their guns on them full time.


52 posted on 04/21/2016 9:40:27 AM PDT by Charlie Browns Gun
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To: LS

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I don’t see Trump winning, either. You have to be able to appeal to women voters. And his negatives are almost comically high. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m seeing too many people thinking this is going to be a cake walk and I’m hearing almost verbatim claims of winning that I heard 4 and 8 years ago. It’s in my nature to be nervous.


53 posted on 04/21/2016 9:42:54 AM PDT by Charlie Browns Gun
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To: Charlie Browns Gun

Hillary’s negatives are high as Trump.

She has vulnerabilities. Anyway, at this point in time the odds favor her.

Trump is going to have do a lot of work to make himself electable.

If he can’t do it, no one can.


54 posted on 04/21/2016 9:44:07 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: goldstategop

Yes! Hillary may seem as strong you as Jeb seemed in June of 2015. She is not one whit more electable—and she is certainly no solid blue conservative.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3422096/posts (My suggestion for how to turn her campaign upside down, very quickly.)


55 posted on 04/21/2016 9:44:37 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: goldstategop

That’s the one bright spot I’m kind of clinging to.


56 posted on 04/21/2016 9:45:07 AM PDT by Charlie Browns Gun
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To: goldstategop

“The stupidity of the smartest people in the room has to be seen to be believed.”

Many went to Harvard & Yale.


57 posted on 04/21/2016 9:46:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: vette6387

Sadly, Rove is paid millions by Establishment people to deliberately lose elections.


58 posted on 04/21/2016 9:47:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: DoughtyOne

“See! More proof that even Trump supporters agree he’s been covered by the press at least 25 times more than Cruz has.

(all of it negative)”

But....Cruzers say Trump had a free ride with the MSM and print media. I mean, look at the WSJ/Fox, and National Review !

Fools....


59 posted on 04/21/2016 9:49:44 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yep! Exactly right!


60 posted on 04/21/2016 9:57:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hey Ted, why are you taking one for the RNC/GOPe team, and not ours? Not that we don't know.)
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