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How the GOP Is On the Road Towards Certain Defeat
PJ Media ^ | 04/21/2016 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 04/21/2016 9:06:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Our convoluted primary system evolved to allow voters a more direct voice in choosing a candidate who can win a general election. Voters don’t always choose wisely -- after all, one party always loses. It’s a shame then -- in what should be a Republican year -- that GOP primary voters appear to want to lose the presidency once again.

If the candidate at the top of the ticket is roundly defeated, the toll could also take down many Republicans running for the House and the Senate.

The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton. When Trump is put up next to Clinton, polls show her winning by 9.3 points. Ted Cruz also loses to Clinton by a smaller amount, within the margin of error, but still Clinton wins.

The just-released NBC-Wall Street Journal poll, the most up-to-date information available, has Kasich defeating Clinton by 59 to 31!

Relying on other polls of the general election chances for the candidates going state-by-state, analysts like Nate Silver predict that Kasich is more than likely to come in second to Trump in states like New York and Maryland. He is also likely to come in second in some northeastern states in which primaries have not yet taken place. However, these polls reveal that in a general election, neither Cruz nor Trump would get these voters’ support, and some of them are likely to vote for Hillary Clinton if either becomes the GOP nominee.

Yes, it is possible for Ted Cruz to get the nomination, but betting on Cruz is risky. As the election heats up, count on the Democrats using social issues to defeat him -- emphasizing Cruz’s position on abortion (no exceptions at all) and gay rights, which a majority of the public, including young Republicans, now support. They will hit hard on his proposed economic policies, from the proposed flat tax to a foreign policy seemingly meant to differentiate himself from the isolationist Ron Paul and the neo-conservative Marco Rubio. Count on Clinton making mincemeat of his call to deal with ISIS by carpet bombing.

Moreover, Clinton is actually closer to the neo-conservative position than many Republicans. On immigration, Cruz has sought to out-Trump Trump by committing to also building a wall on the Mexican border. Despite himself being Hispanic, he will obviously lose the growing Hispanic vote.

As for Kasich, I know all the arguments against supporting him: he is a liberal Democrat in disguise; he accepted Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio; he will compromise with Democrats rather than fight them if president.

If you look at his record as governor, however, it is clear that he is not a liberal. A report in the Boston Globe puts it this way:

Kasich, in fact, is not as moderate as some voters might think. While he’s one of the few Republican governors to expand Medicaid under President Obama’s health care law and has said he supports a path for legalization for undocumented immigrants, the two-term governor has tried limiting the power of unions and enacted a series of anti-abortion measures.

No wonder the dean of liberal columnists, E.J. Dionne, wrote the following about him a few days ago:

The problem for Kasich involves his solutions. In his speech Tuesday, he proposed a balanced budget; a freeze on most federal regulations; tax cuts for individuals and businesses; sending “welfare, education, Medicaid, highway infrastructure and job training” programs back to the states; a guest worker program; and fixes to Social Security that would certainly involve some cuts.

In other words, Kasich supports the same agenda conservatives were offering in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. It’s an approach that even many in the GOP -- particularly working-class Trump supporters -- now see as inadequate, opting instead for a dangerous populism and a strong nationalist position. As Trump said yesterday, he favors an “America first” policy.

So those conservatives who continually attack Kasich for being a liberal and not a true conservative are either doing so because they are not aware of his record as governor of Ohio, or they are responding to his personality and ignoring what he believes and what he has accomplished in Ohio.

The question for Republicans comes down to this: Do Republican primary voters want the GOP to win or lose in November 2016? If the answer is "win," their support should be thrown to Kasich at a contested convention. If they want the GOP to remain “pure,” they will support the most conservative candidate out there -- Ted Cruz -- even though he cannot win, despite being closer to Clinton in the Electoral College vote. If they choose the populist Trump, there will be a landslide for Hillary Clinton come Election Day.

Whatever happened to William F. Buckley’s admonition that one should support the most conservative candidate that is likely to win? Neither Trump nor Cruz fits that description.

So who do you really prefer -- a John Kasich with faults you can easily cite that are quite real, but who could actually win, or Hillary Clinton? Republicans and conservatives should think clearly before they answer that.



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To: Sidebar Moderator

Not. Breaking. News.


21 posted on 04/21/2016 9:20:20 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: goldstategop
Kasich hasn't won a single state outside his native OH

FWIW, I don't know anyone who voted for Kasich. Those who line their pockets because of useless or even counterproductive construction projects and the elite Republican "in crowd" probably did. I'd sure like to know if any Freepers know of a corner of the state where folks like him.

22 posted on 04/21/2016 9:21:09 AM PDT by grania
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To: Stingray51

Trump haters are twisting themselves into knots arguing Trump can’t even though he’s won like half the states and is on track to win more.

By their yardstick, that’s losing. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.


23 posted on 04/21/2016 9:21:43 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: Donglalinger

“The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. “

Right. Which is why the NYT and it’s kommie sister papers and kommie sycophant follower papers all endorsed Kasich several months ago: because they all wanted the guy who had the “best” chance of beating Hillary.


24 posted on 04/21/2016 9:22:01 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is nonsense. Kasich can't even get real traction in the primary; how is he supposed to do better in the general election that either of the two leading primary candidates?

The bottom line is that "Generic Republican" or "Generic Democrat" does better in the polls than any actual Republican or Democrat, because the former has none of the real-world baggage of the latter. Kasich has been so barely-visible that he polls like a "Generic Republican".

25 posted on 04/21/2016 9:22:03 AM PDT by Cyberman
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To: bigbob

After this election, the GOP is a dead letter.


26 posted on 04/21/2016 9:22:16 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self. "M. Stirner)
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To: SaveFerris

The GOP Establishment knows that Hillary will play ball on the open-borders cheap-labor issues and Trump won’t. Ergo, they prefer to have her win.


27 posted on 04/21/2016 9:23:46 AM PDT by Cyberman
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To: SeekAndFind

Ronald McDonald the Clown Radosh should check out the latest poll that shows Trump doing better against Hillary than Cruz or Kay-Sick.


28 posted on 04/21/2016 9:24:09 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the bummers of this political season is that the ostensibly conservative media has given up reasoned political analysis in favor of angry polemic trashing Cruz or Trump, depending on where their sympathies lie. It’s gotten really boring and caused me to just tune out.


29 posted on 04/21/2016 9:24:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: stephenjohnbanker

An NBC-WSJ poll is as credible as a ouija board.

When Radosh quotes it, he loses all credibility.

And in the real world, Republican voters do not want John Kasich as their nominee.

But he believes he knows what’s best for them.

The stupidity of the smartest people in the room has to be seen to be believed.


30 posted on 04/21/2016 9:25:05 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“The Wall Street Journal Editorial pages trashed Trump for 122 consecutive days, with 10 guest editorials by Karl Rove.”

I just loved watching Rove having to admit the night of the NY Primary that Trump was indeed the presumptive nominee. He looked like he’d just hoovered a meadow muffin!


31 posted on 04/21/2016 9:25:10 AM PDT by vette6387 (Obama can go to hell!)
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To: SaveFerris

“I’m shocked 4% were stupid enough to support another open-borders Bush.”

Heck, I’m sure there’s always at least 4% that would support a ham sandwich, so probably nothing to be terribly shocked about.


32 posted on 04/21/2016 9:25:28 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton: John Kasich. Look at the latest RCP average of all polls, which shows the tally of each Republican candidate in a race against Hillary Clinton. Kasich comes in nearly eight points ahead of Clinton.
Plus, Kasich is the ONLY candidate to have memorized EVERY episode of the old "Kung Fu" television show!


33 posted on 04/21/2016 9:25:48 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The GOPe deserve nothing more than a middle finger)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The latest polls show that only one Republican candidate has a sure chance of beating Hillary Clinton”

Everyone knows, the only time head to head polls are accurate are when there are only two heads.


34 posted on 04/21/2016 9:26:03 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation. %%%)
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To: Cyberman

Exactly - I’m sure they have other things they can count on from Hillary.

Of course they’re stomping their feet demanding she be indicted - not. We all know what they are.


35 posted on 04/21/2016 9:26:27 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kasuck is Hillary without the pantsuit.

If the GOP was really concerned about winning they would be getting behind the guy drawing in the millions of new voters they said they wanted.

They don’t care about winning, what they care about is preventing the citizens from stopping The Cheap Labor Express.


36 posted on 04/21/2016 9:26:39 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: catnipman

But you have to admit, a ham sandwich would still be far better than Jeb Bush.


37 posted on 04/21/2016 9:27:20 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: COBOL2Java

38 posted on 04/21/2016 9:28:00 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Charlie Browns Gun

I seem to remember the exact same statements being made before Obama won twice. “Stupid Polls” “Liberal Media”. I’m so very afraid that we’re going to seee the same results in a few months and I just don’t know how we stop it from happening.


Yup

Go back to this site in 2012 and the same things were being said about Romney vs Obama are eerily similar to today. But this time will be different we are told

I can’t or won’t predict what will happen in Nov except to predict it will come down to a handful of states. Just vote. That’s all you can do

I caught Rush Limbaugh’s show yesterday. A caller said despite the polls he believes Trump is going to win in a landslide. Rush was more guarded because he made the same prediction in 2012 and he made the same prediction in 2000 and admitted both didn’t turn out the way he thought


39 posted on 04/21/2016 9:29:14 AM PDT by LMAO (" I probably identify more as Democrat," Donald Trump 2004)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jackboot licking establishment bedwetters.


40 posted on 04/21/2016 9:29:23 AM PDT by dware (sCruzballs are working awful hard to elect Hitlery! Why do they hate America so?)
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