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Time to Buy a Dishwasher and Boy Have They Changed! EPA ruins dishwasher tech
4.28.13 | chickensoup

Posted on 04/28/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup

It is time for a dishwasher. My last dishwasher was replaced three times by the manufacturer before I ripped it out and started handwashing. time to go back to dishwashers and I cannot find a timed dishwasher, just ones that are ENERGY EFFIEICENT with sensors.

The biggest problem I had with the newer untimed dishwashers is that I would have to rinse the dishes instead of scraping them.

the second problem is that because I did not rinse them, they ran for six to eight hours becaus there was debris that the sensors picked up.

Lousy design.

I am looking for a good dishwasher, that can actually be effective and clean the dishes now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates. Or timed washes.

Any war stories? Most of the dishwasher reviews out there aree actually paid ad reviews placed by an agent of the manufacturer.

Forget consomer reports.

TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: allisvanity; appliances; chat; dishwasher; dishwashers; epaoutofcontrol; guncontrol; notnews; secondamendment; vanity
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To: RightField
One of my vendors makes household cleaners. I was talking to the owner at a show about a dishwasher additive to address the lack of TSP. Turns out she knows the chemist that developed Cascade. His comments were that the original formula was ideal, and the only change he would make was to use half as much as the instructions recommended.

The original formula is still available as a "commercial" product in something like a 5 pound box. My experiments with real TSP - not the substitute TSP - have been less than ideal.

181 posted on 04/28/2013 6:59:55 PM PDT by kitchen (Make plans and prepare. You'll never have trouble if you're ready for it. - TR)
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To: Chickensoup

Because everything is soaking wet when the cycle is done, plastic..fuggheddabboutit! The dishes are not clean and I DO PREWASH, just in general a piece of cr@p.

182 posted on 04/28/2013 7:02:35 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: DJ Frisat
"BTW — the brand that we bought was Maytag."

I think we have the same dish washer. I use the little plastic clips on the top rack to hold my butcher knife when I've used it for cutting raw meat.

I didn't know what the little fold down "shelf" was for so I use it to store my kitchen sponges. That way they are cleaned and sanitized whenever I run the dishwasher and it is a handy place to store them out of sight.

183 posted on 04/28/2013 7:05:10 PM PDT by Amntn
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To: Mamzelle
for several minutes wasting as much water as I can

I do stuff like that too. It gives me a perverse sense of pleasure. (:

184 posted on 04/28/2013 7:08:17 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: gorush; Chickensoup

I have to agree with you about Bosch. I’ve bought and installed a lot of dishwashers, some for my own use and some for rental units. By far the Bosch is the best. They are so quiet they need a light that comes on to tell you when they’re finished. Some of them have a top rack only wash cycle for small loads.

A few years ago I bought another brand. I think it was a GE. The salesperson told me it was almost as quiet as the Bosch. No way. Not even close. It washed ok but you could sure hear it when it ran. The tenant liked it. I wouldn’t buy it for myself.

185 posted on 04/28/2013 7:10:07 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: rey

“But, as we know, you cannot make anything foolproof as fools are so ingenius.”

I am going to remember that one! ;-)

186 posted on 04/28/2013 7:13:21 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: lonestar

they used to be rollers. Hands would get caught in them. I’m not that old (60) but i’ve seen pictures.

187 posted on 04/28/2013 7:18:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: JRandomFreeper

It has been proven that it is better to eat food off of dirty dishes than to clean them because the sponges, dishcloths, etc are more dirty than the dirty dishes.

But, of course, that is something that single men have known for decades! Jay Leno. ;-)

188 posted on 04/28/2013 7:18:45 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: acapesket

I’ve found that the water you use makes a big difference. Water pressure too. Maybe you have hard water?

189 posted on 04/28/2013 7:20:38 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Chickensoup
I have been very pleased with my Bosch for ten years or so. It's only problem is that it's so quiet I have opened the door a time or two while it was still running. My water is very, very hard so sometimes I pour a little Lemishine in it. That's good stuff too.
190 posted on 04/28/2013 7:22:53 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Chickensoup

191 posted on 04/28/2013 7:30:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: acapesket

Well, my plastic Glad containers do have some water on them on my 36 minute wash. Everything else is dry. I figure it has something to do with how plastic dries! This hasn’t bothered me. Now, when I use the long, extra hot wash the plastics get dry as a bone.

192 posted on 04/28/2013 7:36:27 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: ladyjane

Sorry.. no. I have a whole house water filter. The Bosch is a piece of cr@. My water pressure rockets...great showers etc. Sleep 14 most summer weekends...the dishwasher just sucks. End of story. Thanks for your helpful suggestions tho.

193 posted on 04/28/2013 7:37:18 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: kvanbrunt2

There was one in the basement at Grandmas and the help used it to wash the heavy items, blanket and such.

194 posted on 04/28/2013 7:38:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: acapesket

What generic American dishwasher are you planning to buy that is so much better than your POS Bosch?

First I would read instructions in your manual and buy Somat or Finish Quantum tabs.

If no better then call Bosch for service.

I think is a better alternative to “putting some bad hurt” on an expensive Bosch dishwasher.

195 posted on 04/28/2013 7:41:36 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Chickensoup


Heh, ain’t nothing cleaner than a hounds tooth.

196 posted on 04/28/2013 7:43:28 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (HEY RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Mamzelle
I have a new (1 yr old) now) Bosch. The selling feature for us was that it was the quietest and most efficient.

The one thing that we didn't know or find out until we owned it for a time was the reason the dishes didn't seem to dry well - there is no heater to dry them, just hot water and evaporation. No heater, safer for the environment, don't you know.

197 posted on 04/28/2013 7:46:33 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I only know about clothes washers, since I have have never seen the need for a dishwasher, but the entire problem is government mandates.

About 10 years ago (could be longer), they passed the bills for the energy mandates in new washers. Their aim was to get rid of top loaders, first, then gradually transition those to the sort of washers available overseas that only do a small load at a time.

I am a production felter and I foresaw that I would not be able to make my products in that sort of washer. I wrote a detailed letter to Russ Finegold, who was my Senator at the time. I got boilerplate in the form of the law itself in reply.

There was so much backlash and so many people who were willing to pay over $1k for a top loader made in New Zealand, that the effort to kill the toploader failed. However, never fear: they began to tighten the energy mandates and forced the engineers to redesign the top loaders so we now have washing machines that do not clean clothes, dilute hot water with cold in the hot cycle, cannot be opened during a 47-minute cycle, need a second rinse, which never used to be an option, let alone a feature and which also need a second spin in order to not run the dryer twice as long.

My personal response was to begin using reconditioned machines. About 5 years ago, my local recondition shop closed. Probably the replacement parts were getting hard to obtain. I have a very good relationship with my local small appliance store. They know my needs and will work with me. This last time around, they sold me a new electronic machine that just could not be used as I needed to use it. I spent a day online and found two possible machines I could use. I was able to see both in the nearest large city and determined the one I wanted. I called the appliance store, told them the problems and asked if they could get the machine I wanted. They weren’t sure, but they did it. I returned the HE machine and I am mostly happy with the new one, the GE model I referenced in post #166. The clincher was that it had a magnetic lid latch that was easily hacked. My prior machine’s latch was easily hacked by jumping the wires. The integrated electronic locks are not hackable without shortening the life of the circuit board.

One thing I learned while researching is that many, many people are totally PO’d by the new designs. 2 years ago, my appliance store guys were telling me that the agitator-less machines were the wave of the future and would completely replace the old-fashioned machines. Now, they admit that they are getting a lot of returns and there is and likely always will be a market for the mechanical rotary control machines.

Everyone unhappy with their appliances needs to complain loudly and in public and all over social media. Walk through the appliance sections of the big box stores and make comments within hearing of other customers. When people bring up energy conservation, tell them to read the fine print: they include the cost of your electric hot water heater in that yearly energy cost number. My hot water heater is propane and with that cost factored out, my new traditional machine costs $29/year in energy use (for a normal family...I use mine way more than anyone would normally, so it is costing me about $90/year, which is a cost of doing business and affordable.) and yet, it is NOT considered a candidate for Energy Star!!

I may join Pinterest and Pin my traditional machine there.

198 posted on 04/28/2013 7:47:00 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: acapesket

You live on Cape Cod. Sounds great. I’ll come visit!

199 posted on 04/28/2013 7:48:52 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: C210N

Actually, things have reversed. The GE washer I have now is sold internationally. I have read reviews from France and South Africa.

In 2005, I was visiting friends in New Zealand and needed to use their washer and dryer. Tiny little things, front loader washer, belt driven, would take a load of 2 pairs of jeans, 2 T-shirts and 2 sets of underwear at one time. Yet, that country also makes the best top loader in the world, although it is also extremely expensive for what it is.

200 posted on 04/28/2013 7:50:58 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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