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Time to Buy a Dishwasher and Boy Have They Changed! EPA ruins dishwasher tech
4.28.13 | chickensoup

Posted on 04/28/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup

It is time for a dishwasher. My last dishwasher was replaced three times by the manufacturer before I ripped it out and started handwashing. time to go back to dishwashers and I cannot find a timed dishwasher, just ones that are ENERGY EFFIEICENT with sensors.

The biggest problem I had with the newer untimed dishwashers is that I would have to rinse the dishes instead of scraping them.

the second problem is that because I did not rinse them, they ran for six to eight hours becaus there was debris that the sensors picked up.

Lousy design.

I am looking for a good dishwasher, that can actually be effective and clean the dishes now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates. Or timed washes.

Any war stories? Most of the dishwasher reviews out there aree actually paid ad reviews placed by an agent of the manufacturer.

Forget consomer reports.


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1 posted on 04/28/2013 5:06:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

It is time for a dishwasher. My last dishwasher was replaced three times by the manufacturer before I ripped it out and started handwashing. time to go back to dishwashers and I cannot find a timed dishwasher, just ones that are ENERGY EFFIEICENT with sensors.

The biggest problem I had with the newer untimed dishwashers is that I would have to rinse the dishes instead of scraping them.

the second problem is that because I did not rinse them, they ran for six to eight hours becaus there was debris that the sensors picked up.

Lousy design.

I am looking for a good dishwasher, that can actually be effective and clean the dishes now that the EPA doesnt permit us to have phosphates. Or timed washes.

Any war stories? Most of the dishwasher reviews out there aree actually paid ad reviews placed by an agent of the manufacturer.

Forget consomer reports.


2 posted on 04/28/2013 5:07:35 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
Go to Lowes, buy a box a TSP and put a spoonful in every load. Tri-sodium phosphate. It's a wonderful thing.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/28/2013 5:08:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I looked into that but the TSP in my hardware store states: Contains no phosphates on the label.


4 posted on 04/28/2013 5:10:04 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
While you're at it, how about that other thing that housewives have to deal with, which is cleaning the family toilet? Do you know how hard it is to keep a toilet clean these days?

Rather than deal with these low flush toilets, I have taken to using the shower nozzle to reach over and get them clean. Sometimes I like to stand there, rinsing the toilet with what amounts to a lawn hose, for several minutes wasting as much water as I can, cursing Al Gore...here we are, I have to get a hose to clean my flush toilet...

5 posted on 04/28/2013 5:11:52 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Chickensoup
I just installed a ~38 yr old Kitchen Aid Imperial that had been run for ~2 yrs as a roll around and then sat in the basement for 35 years.

It work GREAT! and only takes ~50 mimutes to run. Solid steel too.

6 posted on 04/28/2013 5:12:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Chickensoup

I have a Bosch washer, BTW, which I am reasonably satisfied with.


7 posted on 04/28/2013 5:13:13 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Chickensoup; Dusty Rhodes

Lemi-Shine. Works great.

Made in West Texas


8 posted on 04/28/2013 5:13:40 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Chickensoup

I am a 48 single male and never owned a dishwasher. I did have one once when I rented an apt yea it was nice but that was years ago. It takes no time to clean my dishes by hand and its actually fun as I listen to Mark Levin while doing it. So actually I enjoy doing my own dishes, not a problem here. Its just part of life.


9 posted on 04/28/2013 5:14:04 PM PDT by VastRWCon (LARGE PRINT GIVE IT, small print take it away.)
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To: Mamzelle

I recycle all my water; it comes from a well on one side of my property and goes into a septic tank on the other side of my property.

Four of the largest bodies of fresh water on the surface of the earth lap up on the shores of my state.

Why do I have to use water-conserving appliances?


10 posted on 04/28/2013 5:14:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If you go to GFS, Dierks or other restaurant/institution supply store, the Inst. Calgon has phosphates. As far as the dishwasher itself, check Canada or see if you can find a low end commercial version.


11 posted on 04/28/2013 5:15:00 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (HRC:"Sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl and sometimes a pensioner going shopping,"-NKorea)
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To: Chickensoup

Avoid Asko like the plague.


12 posted on 04/28/2013 5:15:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Chickensoup

They’ve done the same thing with washers for laundry. Specifically, they’ve changed the agitator configuration on the low power consumption models so its barely there - saves power but doesn’t wash worth crap.


13 posted on 04/28/2013 5:15:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Chickensoup

I’ve got a GE (we bring evilll to life) Profile dishwasher; actually seems to work fairly well.


14 posted on 04/28/2013 5:16:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

be careful TSP can etch glass. I’ve found that you need less than a tsp. along with Cascade for heavy duty work. Finish from Sam’s works well.


15 posted on 04/28/2013 5:16:38 PM PDT by calico_thompson
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To: Chickensoup

We, too, have a Bosch with no complaints after 8 years.


16 posted on 04/28/2013 5:16:49 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Mamzelle

What a great idea, I will have to try it!!!


17 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:15 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

the answer is obvious ... all of your problems stemmed from not washing the dishes before using the dishwasher.


18 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:15 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Background checks, Mr. President? You first ...)
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To: Paladin2

Will you marry me and give it to me!


19 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup

Go to your local re-use center or Craig’s List and try to snag an older working model. A few more years of reliable service is better than shelling out for high-tech trash. Repeat as needed.


20 posted on 04/28/2013 5:17:50 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: DuncanWaring

I live in what some have called a rain forest. Don’t liberals clean their toilets, or do they have illegal aliens to do that for them? Or maybe they just never clean them...but I think it’s funny that I have an ipad and all this technology but I have to flush my toilets with a shower hose because they only flush a cup of water at a time.


21 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

do you know which model?


22 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:22 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Chickensoup
Foam plates and plastic forks... Environmentally unfriendly and you can add the used ones to the landfill.
23 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:28 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Chickensoup

Finish GelPacs are the best. I have a 23yr old GE dishwasher and everything comes out clean, spotless and shining.

http://www.finishdishwashing.com/


24 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:44 PM PDT by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the Muskets of the 21st Century. Free men need not ask permission.)
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To: Chickensoup

We purchased a Bosch dishwasher and it has timed cycles. Yes it was a little more expensive but it is not only the quietest dishwasher we have owned, we do not have to rinse the dishes. The interior of ours is stainless steel.

We have put casserole dishes in there with baked on mac & cheese and had them come out spotless.

This is very similar to what we got but we bought it in a local appliance store:

http://www.bosch-home.com/us/products/built-in-dishwashers/bar-handle/SHX3AR75UC.html?source=browse

Hope this helps somewhat.


25 posted on 04/28/2013 5:18:59 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, lack of trisodium phosphate broke our last dishwasher. We didn’t realize it at the time. We also had to have a plumber repeatedly come in and clean out the drain pipes.

The problem is that real trisodium phosphate is hard to find. Some of the stuff that calls itself TSP is fake sodium phosphate. As you say, you need to check the box.

The whole business is truly stupid. Here in Vermont, we have our own well water, and our woods and pasture are almost always too wet. I don’t know why we should be forced to use less water because they’re running short in Arizona.


26 posted on 04/28/2013 5:19:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mamzelle

Same here.

I replaced our old dead Kenmore with a new Kenmore and promptly took it back the same day. I could have spit on the dishes and got them cleaner. It leaked too.

No issues with the Bosch. The little packets and rinse aid do well and we always use pots and pans mode because we don’t clean the dishes before we clean the dishes.

We have toddlers and have put artifacts in the dishwasher that could be classified as HAZMAT and they all come out just fine. A touch of bleach doesn’t hurt.


27 posted on 04/28/2013 5:20:39 PM PDT by TSgt (More Scott Roeders and fewer Tillers and Gosnells)
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To: Chickensoup

EPA and lawyers ruin things. My “Lawyer Toaster” takes forever to toast anything as the heat need to be so low so as not to cause any harm to fools. But, as we know, you cannot make anything foolproof as fools are so ingenius.


28 posted on 04/28/2013 5:20:59 PM PDT by rey
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To: DuncanWaring
I recycle all my water; it comes from a well on one side of my property and goes into a septic tank on the other side of my property.

Me too.

When my house was built I had the cabinet maker make the floor cabinet next to the sink removable and had the plumber and electrician put in the necessary stuff for a dishwasher.

I wash all my dishes by hand and let them air dry in a dish drainer. Lots more efficient than a dishwasher.

When, in the future, someone else owns this house, all they need to do is buy and install the dishwasher. I tried to make it as painless as possible.

29 posted on 04/28/2013 5:21:45 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Chickensoup

The took the tri-sodium-phosphates out of dishwashing soap years ago. You can’t get spot free clean dishes now.


30 posted on 04/28/2013 5:22:00 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: VastRWCon

Yes I have been washing dishes for a number of years. Time to change. Situation at home has changed.


31 posted on 04/28/2013 5:22:01 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Mamzelle

“Sometimes I like to stand there, rinsing the toilet with what amounts to a lawn hose...”

Yep. The guy in me claims I do that too...

;>)


32 posted on 04/28/2013 5:22:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: NonValueAdded

LOL that’s pretty much what we do and we double the amount of cleaner that we used to put in.


33 posted on 04/28/2013 5:23:12 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Chickensoup

Yeah, there’s several knock-off brands of TSP that really aren’t Trisodium Phosphate.

Our local Lowes Hardware store carries the good stuff—pure Trisodium Phosphate. It’s made by the Savogran Company.

Their address on the label says:

Savogran Company
Norwood, MA 02062-0130

Telephone # 1-800-225-9872
Mon-Fri 9am-4pm EST

You might give them a call tomorrow and see if they can point you to a distributor in your area.

We use slightly less than one tablespoon per load of dishes. You might need less, or more, depending on your water’s hardness.

Cheers!


34 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:00 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: Chickensoup
Try Consumer Search.
35 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:07 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: sauropod

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36 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:12 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: VastRWCon

I am a 48 single male and never owned a dishwasher.

**************

Marriage can be a wonder thing if undertaken with love......


37 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:15 PM PDT by deport
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To: DuncanWaring

My well pumps 50 gallons a minute. I have no water saving incentive.

Once I made an EPA fool’s head pop by discussing diaper washing with him. I tracked the bastard down who regulated washing machines. Yes there is at least one fool in Washington who regulates washingmachines. I bet there is a bigger fool regulating dishwashers.


38 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:28 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: calico_thompson
a) I was just passing on the information. I use TSP for some cleaning around here

b) I AM the dishwasher here in the tiny shotgun shack I call home

c)I'm a single guy. What do I care if the glasses get etched? ;)

/johnny

39 posted on 04/28/2013 5:24:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Chickensoup
I have had two Bosch's and I have liked them both. The first got burned out through no fault of it, but of how it was plumbed.

I do a couple of loads a day, because I cook with some intensity, and love to use lots of pots and colanders. I love to cook and often cook elaborately and fill a dishwasher quickly. I also do a lot of half loads, which I do defiantly. It suits my convenience to do a lot of loads, and Bosch's seem to be cool with that.

One thing I have to do is fill that "agent" tray often, which seems to really help.

Also the Bosch is very quiet! Makes time in the kitchen more pleasant.

My present model has a quick wash, only 36 minutes, which is very handy and is almost as good as the other washes. If you have lightly messy dishes by all means use the quick wash. I also like the hygenic wash.

So I'd recommend being sure to get the one with the quick wash. I suspect that this wash uses a lot of water and energy so you can grin and curse Al the Tyrant. So far I don't have to use a shower hose to clean my dishes.

40 posted on 04/28/2013 5:25:36 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: skeeter
“They’ve done the same thing with washers for laundry. Specifically, they’ve changed the agitator configuration on the low power consumption models so its barely there -saves power but doesn’t wash worth crap.”

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They don't rinse either. I have to run the washer through the cycle 3 times or else I get a rash from residual detergent. Yes, I know they have detergents specifically made for these washers, but they all have perfumes and dyes. Again...rash.

So much for energy and water saving.

41 posted on 04/28/2013 5:26:05 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Dr. Sivana

The commericals sanatize, either through temp or chemicals. they are prewashed before entering the dishwasher.

from my brother the chef.


42 posted on 04/28/2013 5:26:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Cicero
From a previous thread somewhere in the bowels of FR, TheChemistryStore.com real bulk Trisodium Phosphate. Been using it for 3-4 years now, it eliminates the white film etc.
43 posted on 04/28/2013 5:26:19 PM PDT by Riflema
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To: Chickensoup

You don’t want a new washing machine! The lid locks before filling with water. Maytag.


44 posted on 04/28/2013 5:26:45 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: gorush

any particular model?


45 posted on 04/28/2013 5:27:11 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bingo! I use it in the clothes washer. It can be found in the paint department, used for preping siding. TSP “holds” minerals, food, whatever in solution. TSP is the magic that makes cleaning happen. It is an effective de greaser as well.


46 posted on 04/28/2013 5:27:36 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Chickensoup

You can still buy the good dishwasher detergent with phosphates. I buy it by the case here:

http://www.restockit.com/cascade-automatic-dishwasher-detergent-85-oz-%2834953pg%29.html


47 posted on 04/28/2013 5:27:36 PM PDT by Blennos
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To: deport

LOL!!! Maybe what he needs is someone to help him get the dishes dirty in the first place. Now, that can be fun.


48 posted on 04/28/2013 5:27:50 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: fatnotlazy

I know what you mean - there are significant deposits of soap lining the sides of the washer after every load.


49 posted on 04/28/2013 5:28:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: NonValueAdded

the answer is obvious ... all of your problems stemmed from not washing the dishes before using the dishwasher.

_____________________

That, actually was exactly what the appliance company said to me.


50 posted on 04/28/2013 5:28:23 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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