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Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case
THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^ | 12/3/08 | James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter

Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2

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To: ZekeNY
Factually incorrect. A natural born citizen is anyone born within the United States. How do I know? Because I'm a natural born citizen and when I was born neither of my parents were citizens. I've done all the legal footwork on this. It's a fact.

You are absolutely correct. You are a natural born citizen as are my children. We do not have second-class citizens in America.

A citizen is either natural born or naturalized. Arnold Schwarzenegger is naturalized. He cannot be President. You can as can I and as can my children who were born to an immigrant mother.

So many people here are making stuff up because they wish it were true. And they are doing everyone a disservice.

321 posted on 12/04/2008 11:47:12 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
How many times are you going to accuse 'making things up' without providing examples or defending your ridiculous assertion reagrding 'second class citizens'? Not a single poster has proffered 'second class citizen' yet you keep raising this strawman as if it will sweep away all the opposition to the affrimative action fraud, Barack (or Barry) Hussein (or other) Obama (or Dunham or Soetoro, depending upon what use he can make of whichever name and citizenship).

If it is shown that Obama will not prove his eligibility then he still is not a second class citizen but he is a proven fraud. Go look for scabs to peel at some other website where liberal pukes will give you attention. Stop trying to blur this into a racial issue, you're not fooling as many as you seem to think you can at FR.

322 posted on 12/04/2008 11:56:26 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Citizen Blade

We’re both shooting at a target which is fuzzy and ill-defined. Who can say which of us is actually on target?

We need the SC to clarify this issue once and for all.


323 posted on 12/04/2008 11:57:50 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rfreedom4u
The Donofrio case does not rely on a birth certificate. It doesn't care if the birth certificate is 100% gilded in gold. Donofrio's case is about natural born citizen. It is saying that because his father is Kenyan (and under British rule), then 0bama cannot be a natural born American citizen. He is saying BOTH parents must be American citizens and their child born on American soil to be a natural born citizen.

The Natural Born Citizen question is the one Donofrio is asking the Supreme Court to visit. He is not concerned if 0bama is a citizen or not.

324 posted on 12/04/2008 11:58:26 AM PST by Helen
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To: Drew68

Is your wife a naturalized citizen?

If so, yes your kids can serve as President.


325 posted on 12/04/2008 12:00:15 PM PST by wndawmn666
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To: Drew68
Factually incorrect. A natural born citizen is anyone born within the United States. How do I know? Because I'm a natural born citizen and when I was born neither of my parents were citizens. I've done all the legal footwork on this. It's a fact. You are absolutely correct. You are a natural born citizen as are my children. We do not have second-class citizens in America.

I do not agree! There is no such thing as a second class citizen. There are naturalized citizens, US Citizens and natural born citizens.

Naturalized - give up their foreign citizenship
US Citizens - born on US soil with no parent being a citizen, 1 parent being a citizen.
Natural born - born of 2 US citizens

Natural born being the only 2 positions in this country requiring this status.

This is what I've determined - the courts hopefully will clarify and either state this is correct or not. This is how I see it. George Washington for one did not want the President of the United states to have a divided allegiance - it is in many of his writings. Dual citizenship at birth would be a divided allegiance. He would have allegiance to his father which was British citizenship.
326 posted on 12/04/2008 12:00:28 PM PST by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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I believe Cort’s case is very strong.

If I read his case correctly he is not asking for it to be sent back to the CT courts.

He acknowledges that this issue is of such magnitude that it can only be determined by our honorable Justices.

Also, we need to be paying attention to the two cases from Dr. Orly Taitz.

Both are very strong, particularly in the area of ‘standing’. She is representing other candidates in the election. She is also representing electors.

They all have standing as far as I understand.


327 posted on 12/04/2008 12:00:31 PM PST by wndawmn666
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To: MrB
Thomas’ wife is NOT going to be welcome in the black social circles in DC...

I can assure you, that she already isn't welcome in that circle because they despise her husband. She's also white, if that makes any difference.

328 posted on 12/04/2008 12:01:14 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MrB

One thing is for sure -

Thomas’ wife is NOT going to be welcome in the black social circles in DC...


The wife of Justice Thomas, Virginia Lamp Thomas, is white. Whether she moves in black or white DC social circles is unknow. Even whether at that level there are different white and black social circles is doubtful.


329 posted on 12/04/2008 12:01:17 PM PST by FFranco
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To: ExTexasRedhead

maybe good news. We will see!


330 posted on 12/04/2008 12:01:17 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: Windflier; FFranco

I was unaware of the relative level of skin melanin of Justice Thomas’ wife.


331 posted on 12/04/2008 12:02:47 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MHGinTN
Not a single poster has proffered 'second class citizen' yet you keep raising this strawman as if it will sweep away all the opposition to the affrimative action fraud, Barack (or Barry) Hussein (or other) Obama (or Dunham or Soetoro, depending upon what use he can make of whichever name and citizenship).

If I'm eligible for the Presidency yet my American-born children are not, then my children are second-class citizens. They are of a stature that enjoys less privilege and freedom than I do. There is no other way of looking at it.

Again, we don't have second-class citizens in this country.

Go look for scabs to peel at some other website where liberal pukes will give you attention.

I'm not looking for attention. And until JimRob sees fit to zot my account, I think I'll stay right here, thank you very much.

332 posted on 12/04/2008 12:13:19 PM PST by Drew68
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To: MHGinTN; Grampa Dave; SunkenCiv; LucyT
New FR Thread:

Look what DRUDGE HAS: Will Supreme Court take case on Obama's citizenship?

333 posted on 12/04/2008 12:15:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: sneakers
I think that no matter which way this issue goes, Barry is going to suffer debilitating mental and physical stresses, over and above what's normal for a President, because he's living a lie in front of the entire world.

Even if he somehow survives this, and is sworn in as President, the issue of his legitimacy may continue to dog him.

If the American people are not thoroughly convinced that he is indeed qualified to hold the office, or if Obama allows any doubt to remain by refusing to open all of his records, he will likely create a climate whereby a greater percentage of Americans perceive him to be dishonest and covert.

His presidency will then fail at every level, and his legacy will be one of deception and weakness.

He either forthrightly comes clean with the American people, and displays a strong intention to be completely open about his history (by releasing every record), or he will fail the most basic test for a President: honesty.

334 posted on 12/04/2008 12:18:12 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MrB

Yeah, she’s melanin challenged .. LOL


335 posted on 12/04/2008 12:19:06 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Parmy; Iowan; MHGinTN; Beckwith; Cicero

Check out this comment from your link:

Of course legal experts say that this has little chance of succeeding. They have made careers and became wealthy from the negation the Constitution.

Furthermore, why would the SCOTUS stand up for the Constitution. They have been raping it for decades. Find things in it that aren’t there. And, not finding things in it that are there.

Even Scalia is as two-faced as the rest of those ingrates.

While all of this is legitimate as far as I am concerned, those frauds in black robes won’t do what is right and just. They will go through the motions—proffer loads of swamp gas and that will be it. Another part of the Constitution destroyed.

8 posted on Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:22:38 PM by Parmy


336 posted on 12/04/2008 12:27:02 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Well, let’s just say that four of the justices currently on the Supreme Court are liberal activists, who give less than a damn what the Constitution says.

Four of them do give a damn, I think. And one, Stevens, is a swing vote, who tends to vote the way that will make him most popular on the DC cocktail circuit, but actually not quite all of the time. I think possibly Stevens still has a conscience.

I think the article is in error on one point, however. Others have said that it only takes 4 votes to put it on the docket, not 5. Although once on the docket, it will take 5 votes for the Court to act.


337 posted on 12/04/2008 12:35:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Non-Sequitur
U.S. law makes it clear that citizenship can be lost only if the citizen himself gives it up.

Even if this is so (and I am not conceding the point), applying for, receiving, and using an Indonesian psssport were actions taken by Obama himself.

338 posted on 12/04/2008 12:36:43 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: wndawmn666
Is your wife a naturalized citizen?

If so, yes your kids can serve as President.

It takes years to qualify for citizenship. Does that mean my kids are in some kind of limbo between second-class citizen and full citizen until my wife receives citizenship? What if something terrible happens and my wife dies before she earns her citizenship? My kids are forever designated to a second-class purgatory because their mother didn't earn her citizenship in time?

Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds? Are you aware of how many millions of Americans are born to the same circumstances as my children are? Do you really think that any legal authority in the land will designate these millions of native-born people ineligible to be President --thus turning them into de facto second-class citizens?

339 posted on 12/04/2008 12:37:26 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
It's not a disservice; it's hilarious.
340 posted on 12/04/2008 12:39:56 PM PST by kenboy
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