Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case

THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^ | 12/3/08 | James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter

[Blu By U]

“Exactly. McCain, Hillary and Obama, the entire Senate, knew that McCain was not a natural-born citizen, so they tried to make it so by erasing the Constitution ...”

It is alarming. To think that SCOTUS would strike this case and add to their malfeasance would be elevated treason.

[TonyStark]

When they examine his BC, if they find it is not valid, Thomas will be screwed for the rest of his life. He will be seen as a traitor to his race. I would fear for his life as there are some who would wish him harm for enforcing our constitution.

Thank God for true patriots.

I was thinking exactly along these lines. Is there any capacity for a "volunteer body guard" auxiliary force for government officials? I would gladly take up defending Justice Thomas. He seems as out of place as Ron Paul: A true patriot in a position of government power.

[Roccus]

I fully expect this to be sent back to district with stipulation that the NJ authorities verify Hawaiian birth for Barack Obama.

That's the way I see this also. The Donofrio case is not about whether or not any of the candidates is a natural born citizen, but rather about whether or not the NJ SoS did its job of certifying that the candidates met the Constitutional requirements.

The case for natural born citizenship will be round 2.

[jcsjcm]

And to those of you that are just now finding out about this or are new to the forum (not like I'm that old here), here are 3 of the cases at the Supreme Court level.

Philip Berg Docket #08-570
Leo Donofrio Docket #08A407
Cort Wrotnowski Docket #08A469

Just in case you want to see them actually on the Supreme Court web site.

[motoman]

Let’s hope Donofrio’s team goes down that line of questioning if this does go to trial. But if they get bogged down over the definition of “natural born” as a matter of Obama’s father nationality, without going into the real issue (IMO) involving his actual place of birth, then I have little hope for this case.

Thanks for answering my questions - I was hoping someone would respond and validate my thinking on this.

[motoman]

Let’s hope Donofrio’s team goes down that line of questioning if this does go to trial. But if they get bogged down over the definition of “natural born” as a matter of Obama’s father nationality, without going into the real issue (IMO) involving his actual place of birth, then I have little hope for this case.

Thanks for answering my questions - I was hoping someone would respond and validate my thinking on this.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

For some reason, ...my fuzzy memory is saying Biden....but I am not sure.

[MHGinTN]

Go back to your hole, nasty n00b ... and tell David Axelrod that the astroturf campaign doesn’t work at conservative sites like FreeRepublic.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Maybe it goes back to Rush talking about the Thomas writing about Biden's question during his confirmation hearing:

Biden's torpedo question to Clarence Thomas

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks.

We want the same goal.

[Windflier]

Thank you for posting this historical data on this subject, and for the scholarly presentation.

Most of us here are only just beginning to get an education in these matters, so posts of this nature help tremendously in raising the understanding of the group.

I’ve been thinking that given the intense interest in this issue, that it would be great if FR had a resource page of some sort on the site, where everyone could go to study the legal and historical documents applicable to this issue.

It would certainly cut down on all of the multiple postings of case law and constitutional passages on every thread.

Thanks again for your help.

[Windflier]

The Justices will also be aware that the Electors can vote for Obama anyway with the understanding that Obama will immediately pardon all electors for all crimes. Presidential pardon powers are near absolute

An illegitimate and illegal President cannot issue a pardon that holds any validity. The Electors would still be guilty of Treason. One traitor cannot pardon another.

[Churchillspirit]

Thanks for the colorful post.

Have you been taking lessons from MiaT?

[Big_Monkey]

...The U.S. requires immigrants applying for naturalization to renounce their previous citizenship..

This is just not factual accurate. The US does not require that immigrants renounce their previous citizenship. There are tens of millions of legal Americans holding dual-citizenship (my own mother included) for this very reason. The US doesn’t encourage it, but does not in any way, forbid it.

Sorry!

[FFranco]

Here is the quotation from Article 1 of the US Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(that second comma is troubling)

[Windflier]

It's not just illegal aliens, tourists visiting from Germany or Spain, etc., a woman who happens to be pregnant and gives birth during the visit, they are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" so that baby is NOT an American citizen, though he was born on U.S. soil.

There is obviously a great need for the SC to clarify this issue. As you said, it's unlikely that a child born in the US through some unintended misfortune, to foreign tourist parents would be given American citizenship, but I don't know that it wouldn't be so.

There's obviously far too much ambiguity in the law. It needs to be clarified and settled, once and for all.

[Windflier]

Hear hear.

[freekitty]

Thank you Justice Thomas.

[CaribouCrossing]

ha! It’s not only “not fair”, it’s “racist”, ya know. ;)

[Windflier]

That would apply to my son. He is 'native born' because he was born in the US, but not "natural born" because his dad is Canadian. He is not eligible for President. I am "natural born" citizen because both of my parents were born on American soil, as was I.

We obviously need for the Supreme Court to review this area of the Constitution and issue a clarifying judgment. There is just so much confusion over what ought to be a fairly straight-forward thing.

It would seem to me, that in the interest of simplicity, and to bring our practices in alignment with the thinking of the Founders and the Constitution, that it should be clearly stated (finally) that a Natural Born Citizen, is defined as any person born on US soil to two parents who were themselves born on US soil.

In addition, it should be stated that those parents can not have not renounced their US citizenship, and should have lived within US territorial jurisdiction for a specified period of time prior to the birth of the child.

In addition, the SC ought to clear up the mis-interpretation of the 14th Amendment as it regards the automatic granting of US citizenship to children born of foreign nationals on US soil.

This is an abomination, and has gone on far too long. It is a long-term threat to to our national security, as it has encouraged and enabled the establishment of what can be rightly described as a foreign "nation" within the confines of the continental US. This simply cannot be in accordance with what the Founders intended for the future of our country.

We truly need some clarity on the entire issue of US citizenship.