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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: Peach; Jim Robinson
I think he must share his screenname with someone else who posts under his name. First we were treasonous liberals. Now I’m an idiot and a liar. Social conservatism is all the rage and the heck with national security and fiscal restraint.

Everyone can see you and your buddies have just been pushing as hard as you can tonight. You are a disgusting idiot.

901 posted on 04/21/2007 10:25:15 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: rbmillerjr

I’m well aware of what kind of site this is. Thanks anyway.


902 posted on 04/21/2007 10:25:19 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Spyder

B/S. We are conservative in every way. Fiscally and socially and any other way you can dream up.


903 posted on 04/21/2007 10:25:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Peach; Spyder
Pointing out that you are both blind is no favor. Reality is. Liberalism is a denial of reality. Claiming that abortion is OK is a denial of humanity and is a Utopian, liberal point of view. Supporting gun confiscation laws is the same liberal illness. Get help. Quickly.


904 posted on 04/21/2007 10:26:13 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Peach
The real world Republicans don’t talk that way. Thank goodness.

Yeah they do, same problem with Rinos in the real GOP party, and we talk about it.
905 posted on 04/21/2007 10:26:27 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: jedward

Welcome to Free Republic. Don’t be a stranger!


906 posted on 04/21/2007 10:26:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you thank you thank you for addressing this, Jim. Rinos and Libertarians are always trying to claim FR for their own, and some have actually balked when I said FR was for conservatives.


907 posted on 04/21/2007 10:27:28 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Elyse

I’m a disgusting idiot? I think you’re a brown noser. So I guess we’re even.


908 posted on 04/21/2007 10:27:30 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Believing that human life begins at conception is a religious view. A more pragmatic scientific view would be that human life begins when brain waves begin to function.


909 posted on 04/21/2007 10:27:37 PM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: veronica

Rudy doesn’t get more than 40% of the republicans to support him in any of the polls, and he’s barely hanging 30% these days.

Pretty bad given his universal name recognition.

Sure, Rudy has crossover appeal. Some republicans WILL cross over and vote for Rudy.


910 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:06 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Spyder

“If the site is cleaned of all views but those held by you, it will be a pretty lonesome site.”

You are insulting the owner of the site in disrespectful ways - it’s not about debate - we have plenty of that and I relish it.

If you’re going to dis the owner of the site, don’t whine when you are on a zotmobile.


911 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:08 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Peach

Name calling is a sign of liberalism. Get help. Soon.


912 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:14 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: papasmurf

Good post. Bump for later reference. Note that the supreme court decision in RvsW weighed heavily on the viability of the fetus, and even Ginsburg this week was talking (incorrectly) about a pre-viable fetus. Suffice it to say that when abortion was performed at those times they probably did not think they were killing a human life.


913 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:32 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I don’t see how else that can be interpreted than saying that not voting for Rudy in the general election would be dishonorable and a deriliction of duty.

I'm more or less speaking in generalities, but I do think that sitting out the election because the nominated candidate isn't everything you want, to be somewhat a dereliction of duty.

I'm really just trying to engage in conversation here, not to name call or throw insults. Being a former left leaning independent who is now 90% conservative (based on various quizzes and opinion polls) I remember liking Bill Clinton. The first time I ever voted was in 2000 for GWB because I really didn't like Algore, not because I liked GWB.

Now after educating myself here and through talk radio et al, I understand what Clinton and his kind are and want to make damn sure they don't get back into power by any means necessary. I'm switching parties from registered independent to (R) for the sole purpose of voting in the primary for the most conservative candidate available, preferrably Newt, but I'll do my research on the candidates when the time comes. I will not vote for Rudy or McCain in the primary.

I believe that if a (D) wins the White House in '08 that also means more House and Senate seats will go (D) increasing their majority and marking open season on Conservatism. I'd like to declare war on them with a c-130 gunship of a candidate like Reagan, but as far as I know he's still dead so if I have to use a stick named Rudy to do it...

I don't see the logic in starving because there's no steak on the menu, I don't like fish and the chicken comes with a side of rice. Hillary, Obama and their ilk stand against evrything I've come to believe, Rudy, Romney, and McCain at least have some beliefs that resemble mine... lower taxes, no gay marriage,...

Sorry to ramble on, and I do respect your convictions of belief. Maybe someday I'll be conservative enough to starve.

914 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:36 PM PDT by infidel29 (...but sir, if my child had a fever I wouldn't go to a bureaucrat for the diagnosis.)
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To: narses
He is a thug. A coward. A liar. Corrupt. And despicable.

For a second there I thought you were talking about the hildabeast, they're so much alike.

915 posted on 04/21/2007 10:28:46 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“Did you live in California then? I did.”

I did too (some) and I remember “Ronald Raygun” as being known as a right winger.

“They nominated him for Governor of California in 1966, and he was elected, defeating two-term governor Edmund G. “Pat” Brown. In Reagan’s campaign, he emphasized two main themes, “to send “the welfare bums back to work,” and in reference to burgeoning anti-war and anti-establishement student protests at the University of California at Berkeley, “to clean up the mess at Berkeley.”[


916 posted on 04/21/2007 10:29:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: narses

I’ve seen your posters, points, and views ad infinitum on just about every 2008 presidential thread. They haven’t convinced me; in fact, they’ve driven me away from the candidates you might support. You’re broken Reagan’s 11th commandment so many times that I can’t begin to take you seriously.


917 posted on 04/21/2007 10:29:27 PM PDT by Spyder (The "Hate Giuliani Syndrome." Like Bush Delusional Syndrome, a cure is yet to be found.)
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To: processing please hold

He looks better in a dress. She has a more pleasant voice. Plus she never evaded the draft nor dumped her spouse.


918 posted on 04/21/2007 10:30:02 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: jedward

Welcome to FR.


919 posted on 04/21/2007 10:30:15 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Sure, Rudy has crossover appeal. Some republicans WILL cross over and vote for Rudy.”

LOL!!


920 posted on 04/21/2007 10:30:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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