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Evidence of Swimming Dinosaur Found
AP - Science ^ | 2005-10-18 | BOB MOEN

Posted on 10/18/2005 7:19:16 AM PDT by Junior

CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Researchers have found tracks of a previously unknown, two-legged swimming dinosaur with birdlike characteristics in northern Wyoming and are looking for bones and other remains in order further identify and name it.

"It was about the size of an ostrich, and it was a meat-eater," said Debra Mickelson, a University of Colorado graduate student in geological sciences. "The tracks suggest it waded along the shoreline and swam offshore, perhaps to feed on fish or carrion."

The tracks indicate a dinosaur that was about 6 feet tall and lived about 165 million years ago along an ancient inland sea, Mickelson said in a university news release.

"The swimming dinosaur had four limbs and it walked on its hind legs, which each had three toes," she said. "The tracks show how it became more buoyant as it waded into deeper water — the full footprints gradually become half-footprints and then only claw marks."

Mickelson said research so far by herself and others supports the "conclusion that the dinosaurs were intentionally swimming out to sea, perhaps to feed."

Mickelson was presenting her findings at the Geological Society of America's annual meeting this week in Salt Lake City and was unavailable for comment.

The finding would be significant because so far no one has been able to prove that aquatic dinosaurs existed, Joanna Wright, assistant professor of geology at the University of Colorado-Denver, said Monday. There were swimming reptiles that are now extinct, Wright said.

Wright said she has not reviewed what Mickelson and other researchers involved have found, but she would be interested in seeing photos of the tracks.

The news has perked up the ears of some prominent paleontologists.

"I'm not a trackway specialist, but it sounds pretty cool to me," Jack Horner, curator of paleontology at the Museum of the Rockies and one of the nation's leading fossil hunters, said by telephone from Bozeman, Mont.

Horner said he was unaware of any previously discovered dinosaur tracks "where it actually goes from land into the water."

The unique tracks were found at a number of sites in northern Wyoming, including the Bighorn Canyon National Recreation Area along the Wyoming-Montana state line.

The tracks are embedded in a layer of rock known as the Middle Jurassic Bajocian Gypsum Spring Formation. Geologists believe an inland sea covered Wyoming and a large area of the western United States during the Jurassic period from about 157 million to 165 million years ago.

Mickelson said the unidentified dinosaur tracks are found among tracks left by many animals, including ancient crocodiles and marine worms, and are of different sizes.

The tracks suggest that the dinosaur traveled in packs and exhibited some variation in overall size, she said.

Mickelson collaborated her findings with researchers from CU-Boulder, Indiana University, Dartmouth College, Tennessee Technological University and the University of Massachusetts.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Wyoming; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: archaeology; crevolist; dinosaur; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; paleontology
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To: VadeRetro
The problem that some science has is similar to the problem with our judiciary. So much of our judiciary is built on it's self. What some court ruled 100 years ago. And it just builds and builds until there is no black and white law. There is no right or wrong... there's just this oligarchy built on itself, and often built on bad suppositions at it's foundation.

Science has done the same thing in many areas. And even Junior's post demonstrates that.

21 posted on 10/18/2005 7:50:32 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
I was being sarcastic. Science's problems are nothing compared to the total misinformation and self-delusion of its critics.
22 posted on 10/18/2005 7:52:13 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Junior
I'm not a scientist, ......

I thought you were going to say that you stayed at holiday inn last night.....

23 posted on 10/18/2005 7:52:25 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: ClearCase_guy

So basically, you'd rather discuss the poster than the article or the science behind it.


24 posted on 10/18/2005 7:53:11 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Junior
My God you're fun!

I'm not a scientist, ... you don't know science.

You kind of remind me of the couch potato who thinks he knows better than the coach how to play the team.

Are you listening to yourself? You're not a scientist, but you know better than others how to do science, because the other people are like people who aren't scientists but think they can tell others how to do science.

You're making me dizzy, man!

25 posted on 10/18/2005 7:53:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Please review the ad hominems in Junior's post #11 to me. He just likes to sling insults. I might as well toy with him.


26 posted on 10/18/2005 7:54:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: VadeRetro
Science's problem is this..... it can't really prove much about what happend 50,000 years ago. It has a lot of ideas. But a jury wouldn't buy much of it as fact. Because it's just ideas. Informed ideas, but still ideas. It's just short on facts in a lot of areas.

But yet scientists who need that endowment each year just get torqued when people don't buy everything that they want to pass along. At least that's my opinion.

27 posted on 10/18/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: ClearCase_guy
You're not a scientist, but you know better than others how to do science, because the other people are like people who aren't scientists but think they can tell others how to do science.

Unlike you, however, I make an effort to understand science and how it works. You and I are not equal in the "not-scientists" department.

28 posted on 10/18/2005 7:56:01 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You're right..... Junior was the one who waded in here with the insults. But he can do it... because he's Junior you know.... and he stayed at holiday inn last night.


29 posted on 10/18/2005 7:56:39 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22

It hadn't crossed my mind. Damn! That would've been a great line, too.


30 posted on 10/18/2005 7:56:40 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior
You and I are not equal in the "not-scientists" department.

Tell me you're doing a parody or something..... LOL

31 posted on 10/18/2005 7:57:37 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
Pig-ignorant yahoo-ism's problem is this... it is conducted by pig-ignorant yahoos whose arguments only raise one question: how much of what they say is willful dishonesty and how much sincere but abysmal pig-ignorance?
32 posted on 10/18/2005 7:59:30 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: kjam22

No parody. It's true. One doesn't need to be a scientist to understand science. It takes a little effort, but the payoff is fantastic. At the very least one won't look like a fool when posting on science threads.


33 posted on 10/18/2005 8:00:06 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It rather looks like your post #6 was fairly ridiculous, and hence gathered unto itself some ridicule, as such posts are wont to do. YMMV.


34 posted on 10/18/2005 8:00:43 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Junior
At the very least one won't look like a fool when posting on science threads.

Study harder.

35 posted on 10/18/2005 8:01:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Junior
At the very least one won't look like a fool when posting on science threads. :).... you mean as opposed to looking like someone who stayed at Holiday Inn last night??
36 posted on 10/18/2005 8:02:10 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: dartuser

Not only that, they've determined it's favorite color is pink and turn offs are other dinos that eat plants. Those amazing prints...


37 posted on 10/18/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL


38 posted on 10/18/2005 8:02:38 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22

Good point. A classic example is "global warming".
`Amenable' scientists--those with predilictions wanting research grants, peer approval & recognition--issue predictions, deductions, and they do computer models, and so forth and so on and on and on.
But when all is said and done, all those terms are just euphemisms or `dressed-up' ways of saying, "This is my best guess."
Scientists don't like to admit that their methodology is often just that: guessing, and they can get a little `testy', so that often it isn't enough for them to say, "Here's my research and evidence."


39 posted on 10/18/2005 8:02:40 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: ClearCase_guy
Bubba, this isn't the first thread we've tangled on. Unlike your typical creationist, however, I do not enter each thread tabula rasa. And the first post you made to me on this thread indicated you were going down the same road here as you've done in the past -- to berate with ignorance the findings of researchers.
40 posted on 10/18/2005 8:03:02 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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