Posted on 04/11/2005 8:27:52 AM PDT by familyop
The Temple Mount is the site of the first and second Jewish Temples, destroyed in 586 BCE and 70 CE, respectively--a historic fact accepted even by Muslim authorities. Nevertheless, that fact has not stopped some journalists from reporting on the Temple Mounts significance in Jewish history cautiously, as if its status is a matter of Jewish faith, or belief, and not archeologic evidence. Thus, in the context of anticipated demonstrations by right-wing Israeli Jews, Reuters Jonathan Saul reported on April 7:
Likewise, the New York Times Steve Erlanger reported yesterday in the second paragraph of his article Israeli Troops Kill 3 Teenagers In Buffer Zone at Gaza Border:
Much further down, in the second to last paragraph, he notes:
(This article also appeared in the International Herald Tribune.) But it is not Jews who say or believe that the site housed both Jewish temples. Indeed, Muslim conquerors selected that site to build the Al Aqsa Mosque precisely because the Temples stood there. This fact is not under dispute even among Muslim authorities, (Yasir Arafats protestations to the contrary at Camp David in 2000 notwithstanding.) For instance, the Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World, a pro-Arab source edited by John Esposito, notes that the Muslim armies:
Another pro-Arab source, Encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East, edited by Reeva Simon, Philip Mattar, and Richard Bulliet, also confirms that the Temple Mount housed the Jewish temples:
The most famous of the archaeological remains of the Second Temple is the Kotel, the western retaining wall of the Temples plaza. The southern, eastern, and northern retaining walls are also still extant. Surviving features abutting the southern walls include a broad stairway leading up to the Temple Mounts entrance and two gates, known as the Huldah Gates, which provided access to the Temple Mount (Hershel Shanks, Jerusalem: An Archaeological Biography, p. 143). Some of the interior part of the Herodian Double Gate (which is one of the Huldah Gates) is also still intact. There are also surviving underground remnants of the Temple complex, including the area known as Solomons Stables. In addition, an area called Robinsons Arch, in the south-western corner of the Temple complex, still remains. In his book, Shanks provides details concerning numerous other remnants. It should be noted that the New York Times deserves commendation for removing the mischaracterization of the Temple Mount in a subsequent story. The story by Steven Erlanger and Greg Myre today is a significant improvement. It begins:
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Interesting. I will bookmark to read later.
Temple Mount history - Ping!
I very much look forward to the building of the third temple. Then, among other things, this "BCE" and "CE" garbage will be gone for good.
Under every mosque is a church or a synagogue.
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The only reason Islam built a mosque on the most holy site of the Jews was to deny it to them. Since Islam is a made up religion that borrowed heavily from Judaism and Christianity, it needed to manufacture for itself an identity.
The whole debacle of the "Dome of the Rock" mosque was akin to a dog urinating on its "territory."
I'm sick of the MSM spin on this. They perpetuate a legitimate Muslim entitlement to the Temple Mount and perpetuate the myth that only Jewish "extremists" are interested in access to this holy site.
This site was holy to Jews 1000 years before Islam existed.
It is a disgrace that the Israeli government allows the Wafq to control it. Appeasement never works.
Whose Jerusalem ?
Whose Land ?
1. Nationhood and Jerusalem: Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E; the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arab - Israeli Conflict; The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land. Autonomy under the Palestinian Authority has supplied them with weapons.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs: Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Thank you for pinging that out. Too few people know about 586 and 70.
Your welcome!
The other day I read something by the late unlamented William Dudley Pelley (yimach shemo vezikhro!), the leader of the pro-Nazi Silver Shirts in the Thirties. He attacked the Bible as being made up of lies and utterly rejected HaShem (the Biblical G-d) and Moses, saying the Egyptians ran the Jews out because they had imposed a "New Deal" on the country. He also maintained that if anyone broke ranks on this and questioned Biblical truth they mysteriously died under sinister circumstances. Can anyone imagine such an idiot today thinking there was world conspiracy to protect the Bible?
If any Learned Elders of Zion are out there reading this, please feel free to secretly murder every higher critical faculty member in every "Bible" department at every secular and elite university. I certainly won't shed any tears, however much the Pelleys of our own day bawl about it!
HaShem 'Ish Milchamah!!!
I very much understand your bristling at the imposition of political correctness, however I hope you will try to understand that not everyone who uses those designations does so for reasons of political correctness. Some of us do it in order to avoid what we sincerely believe to be implication in idolatry.
I hope you can respect that even if you can't agree with it, just as I respect your position.
Temple Mount Wall in DangerThe surface of the Temple Mount has been controlled by the Waqf, the Muslim religious trust, for decades even after the Old City came under Israeli rule in the Six-Day War of 1967. The Waqf has been guilty of nearly 40 violations of Israel's antiquities laws since 1967, but Israel has not taken any steps to block its actions. Another possibility involves recent construction by the Waqf. In 1999 the Muslim group began a major clearance project inside the wall adjacent to where the bulge now appears. Using a bulldozer, the Waqf removed hundreds of truckloads of dirt (containing archaeologically rich material) and dumped it in the adjacent Kidron Valley.
by Herschel Shanks
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Temple Mount Wall CollapsesOne side of a wall in the Temple Mount compound - completely visible to worshippers at the Western Wall - collapsed on Tuesday, uncovering an area of some 40 square meters of dirt and fill... Archaeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar, a member of the Committee to Prevent the Destruction of Temple Mount Antiquities, said that the collapse is connected with the illegal construction works being carried out on the Temple Mount by the Moslem Waqf... "No one is concerned about preserving the ancient compound," she said, "nor has anyone mapped, surveyed or buttressed the hollow areas under the Temple Mount and under the mosques... If a catastrophe occurs, the whole world will blame Israel."
Jewish World
12:23 Sep 25 2003
Temple Mount in CongressCongress is considering a bill that would cut American $200 million in aid to the Palestinian Authority until it stops construction on Jerusalem's Temple Mount -- construction that critics charge has been destroying remains from the First and Second Temple periods... Construction atop the Temple Mount -- the platform that once held the First and Second Temples and which today holds the Al-Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the Rock -- was begun in late 1999 by the Waqf, the Muslim religious council responsible for the mount, ostensibly to enlarge an emergency exit for an underground mosque in the southeast corner of the mount. Since then many truckloads of earth filled with ancient artifacts have been hauled off the mount and much of the southeast corner has been paved over. None of the work has been supervised by the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA), as required by Israeli law... The official also noted that the impetus behind the construction came not from Yasser Arafat nor even from Waqf officials, but from Raed Salah, the mayor of Umm el-Fahm, the second largest Arab city in Israel, and the leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel. Salah raised the funds for the work on the Temple Mount and brought in hundreds of volunteers to carry it out.<
by S.F.
Biblical Archaeology ReviewIsrael warning on Jerusalem siteAn Israeli minister has warned that part of a holy site in Jerusalem sacred to both Muslims and Jews may collapse beneath the weight of worshippers... Repair work on the ancient site has already led to disagreements between Israeli officials with responsibility for looking after it, and their Palestinian counterparts, the Waqf authority. The foundations of the mosque are old and unstable and a combination of roofing work on the building and a small earthquake have worsened its structural condition. Part of the 800-year-old supporting wall leading to the compound crumbled in February... Islamic militants have blamed Israel for the collapse, saying officials were trying to destabilise the complex by carrying out archaeological excavations in an area outside the compound.
BBC
Sunday, 26 September, 2004
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