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From Sabbath TO Sunday!
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Posted on 05/02/2009 2:35:35 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the Baptist Manual, wrote the following which was taken from a photostatic copy of a notarized statement by Dr. Hiscox: “There WAS and IS a command to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was NOT Sunday. It will however be readily said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath WAS TRANSFERRED from the Seventh to the First day of the week, with all its duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament - absolutely not. There is NO scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath institution from the Seventh to the First day of the week…

“I wish to say that this Sabbath question, in this aspect of it, is the gravest and most perplexing question connected with Christian institutions which at present claims attention from Christian people; and the only reason that it is not a more disturbing element in Christian thought and in religious discussion is because the Christian world has settled down content on the conviction that somehow a transference has taken place at the beginning of Christian history.

“To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years’ discussion with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the sabbath question, discussing it in some of its various aspects, freeing it from its false glosses, NEVER alluded to any transference of the day; also that during forty days of His resurrec-tion life, NO such thing was intimated. Nor, so far as we know, did the Spirit which was given to bring to their remembrance all things whatsoever that He had said unto them, deal with this question. Nor yet did the inspired apostles, in preaching the gospel, founding churches, counseling and instructing those founded, discuss or approach the subject.

“Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the SUN-GOD, then adopted and sanctified by the Papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestism.”

Does Dr. Hiscox have a legitimate argument concerning NO authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday from Jesus, the Bible, or the original disciples? Let’s investigate and BE HONEST.

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FOURTH COMMANDMENT

“Remember the sabbath day, to KEEP it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day IS the sabbath of the Lord thy God:…For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the Lord BLESSED the sabbath day, and HALLOWED it” (Exodus 20:8-11).

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Search the Scriptures

Can You Find:

1. One Biblical text that says the Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from

the seventh to the first day of the week?

  1. One text where the first day of the week (Sunday) is EVER called a holy day?
  2. One text where we are told to keep the first day of the week?
  3. One text that says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
  4. One text where the first day is ever given a sacred name?
  5. One text that tells us to keep the first day in honor of the Resurrection of

Christ?

  1. One text that affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
  2. One text from any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
  3. One text where it says it was for the Church to observe, or to meet on, the first

day of the week?

  1. One text where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
  2. One text where any blessings are promised for observing Sunday?
  3. One text where punishment is threatened for working on Sunday?
  4. One text that says the seventh day is not now God’s Sabbath day?
  5. One text where the apostles ever taught their converts to keep the first day of

the week as a Sabbath?

  1. One text that says the seventh day Sabbath is abolished?
  2. One text where the first day is ever called the Lord’s day?
  3. One text where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord’s

Day?

18. One text that says that the Father or the Son rested on the first day of the

week?

  1. One text that says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
  2. One text that says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone

to observe the first day of the week as the Sab-bath?

21. One text that calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls

From Sabbath to Sunday  Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

  1. One text authorizing anyone to set aside God’s Sabbath and observe any other day?
  2. One text telling you WHEN to keep the Sabbath other than Lev. 23:32 “from even,” ending one day to, “even” ending the next day? The word “even” is #6153 in the Strong’s Concordance of the Hebrew language and means “to grow dusty”, and is from the root word #6150 meaning “dusk.” As the sun sets on the horizon

until the first stars appear, this is WHEN you START to keep the Sabbath. THIS

IS THE BIBLICAL TIME TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH. As the sixth day ends at sunset on Friday, the Sabbath BEGINS. At sunset ending Saturday, the Sabbath ends.

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WHEN WAS THE SABBATH CREATED?

We must let the Bible be our guide in all matters of doctrine. God created the earth in six literal days. THEN: “And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the

earth were finished, and ALL the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended

his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God BLESSED the seventh day, and SANCTIFIED it: BECAUSE that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made” (Gen. 1:31; 2:1-3).

There were only TWO people alive when God rested -Adam and his

wife Eve, who was made from Adam’s rib. We find that the Eternal Creator set

aside from creation the seventh day and SANCTIFIED AND BLESSED IT.

The word sanctified is #6942 in the Strong’s Concordance of the Hebrew language. It means “to pronounce CLEAN. “So God pronounced the SEVENTH DAY clean to worship Him upon.”

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Who Created the Sabbath?

Referring to Israel when they were delivered from Egyptian bondage, 1 Cor. 10:1-4 reads: “…And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of the spiritual Rock that went with them (margin): and THAT Rock WAS CHRIST.”

In John 1:1-3 we read: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM; and without Him was not anything made that was made.” V. 14, “…And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…”

It was Jesus Christ our Saviour that MADE the Sabbath. Mk. 2:27-28: “And he (Jesus) said unto them, The Sabbath was MADE for man…Therefore the Son of Man (Jesus) is Lord of the Sabbath.” Col. 1:16-17, “For by HIM (Jesus) WERE ALL THINGS CREATED,…ALL things were CREATED by him:…And

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SABBATH LOST AS A LAW

Joseph, Jacob’s (Israel’s) youngest son, was sold by his brothers into Egypt. God was preparing the way to show His glory and power as a physical type of a spiritual lesson. All 75 members of the family went in Egypt. Finally to become slaves, as a physical type of our becoming slaves to Satan’s system of sin. They were subject to forced labor 7 days a week. Therefore they lost track of the seventh day Sabbath. Let’s pick up the story after deliverance had been completed.

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SABBATH REVEALED AS A LAW

The children of Israel had left Egypt but had NOT YET come to Mt. Si-nai. The Covenant had NOT YET been proposed. Now the amazing set of circumstances. In verse 4 the Lord (Jesus Christ) said He would work a great miracle. He would give them bread from heaven. Jesus told them through Moses to gather a certain rate of manna each day. Never to save any over night during the first 6 days. WHY? Same verse. “…that I (Jesus) may PROVE them, whether they will walk in My LAW, OR NOT.” WHAT DID PICKING UPMANNAATA CERTAIN RATE FOR 6 DAYS HAVE TO DO WITH GOD’S LAW? If they kept any manna over night, worms would breed and spoil it. It would stink (v. 19 and 20).

After some experienced disbelief and found worms and stench, God told them that on the sixth day they were to gather TWICE as much. This was to be kept over to eat on the Sabbath. GOD WOULD NOT SEND MANNA ON THE SABBATH. V. 22-23 says, “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered TWICE as much bread.…And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord said, Tomorrow IS the rest of the HOLY Sabbath unto the Lord:…”

When they kept it overnight for the Sabbath, did it stink and breed worms? V. 24: “And they laid it up till the morning (Sabbath), as Moses bade: and it DID NOT STINK, neither was there any worm therein.”

GOD WAS RESTORING THE TRUE KNOWLEDGE OF HIS SABBATH. Moses instructed the people concerning the Sabbath Day. V. 25-26: “And Moses said, Eat that today; for TODAY IS A SABBATH UNTO THE LORD:

today you shall NOT find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it; but on the

seventh day, which IS THE SABBATH, in it there shall be NONE.”

Some still did not believe. They went out on the Sabbath to gather and found NONE. V. 28 “And the Lord (Jesus Christ) said unto Moses, How long REFUSE you (plural) to KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS and MY LAWS?”

Think WHAT God was doing! He gave manna year after year until they actually crossed over the River Jordan (Joshua 5:10-12). Yet the manna started before they came to Mt. Sinai. This means that for nearly 40 years God showed WHICH DAY was the TRUE Sabbath.

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PERPETUAL COVENANT

One of the most important questions to confront mankind is HOW LONG WAS THE SABBATH TO EXIST FOR US TO KEEP? The truth can be unraveled and understood. Let’s begin!

Ex. 31:12-17: “But as for you [Moses], speak to the sons of Israel, saying, You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a SIGN between me and you throughout your generations, that you may KNOW that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you.…For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, HOLY to the Lord [Jesus Christ];…So the sons of Israel shall OBSERVE the sabbath to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a PERPETUAL COVENANT. It is a SIGN between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.”

The word perpetual comes from the Hebrew word “olam.” The literal translation means “time out of mind.” In other words, the human mind could not comprehend a time when the sabbath was not to be kept.

The Lord [Jesus Christ] was serious about His PERFECT law being a perpetual covenant. It is SIN to break it, just like it is SIN to kill. Both are taken from the same law (James 2:8-12). “He [the Lord] hath remembered his COVENANT for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And CONFIRMED the same [covenant] for a LAW, and to Israel for an EVERLASTING COVENANT” (Ps. 105:7-10). Jesus gave the Sabbath as part of His EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Notice WHY Jesus came and died. 1) To forgive sins; “To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, AND 2) to remember his HOLY Covenant

-PERPETUAL COVENANT; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham” (Lk. 1:72-73). Jesus came to FORGIVE sins, re-member His covenant - NOT CHANGE IT! The New Covenant has better PROMISES - eternal life - NOT better and different laws (Heb. 8:6-12). Read it all.

Rom. 15:8 says “that Jesus Christ was a minister OF THE CIRCUMCISION [Israelites] for the TRUTH of God, TO CONFIRM THE PROMISES MADE UNTO THE FATHERS:” He didn’t come to start a new religion, rather CONFIRM that the covenant still existed. Now He would forgive PAST violations [Rom. 3:24] and offer ETERNAL LIFE IN THE FUTURE FOR OBEDIENCE. This is BETTER PROMISES for obedience. Heb. 13:20-21 states that “…our Lord Jesus Christ, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the [shed] blood OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT, make you PERFECT in every good work to DO his will…” He came to FORGIVE our breaking the covenant. Now we can obey FROM THE HEART. When we slip and disobey, Jesus pleads our case before the Father (1 Jn. 2:1-2). We NO LONGER disobey when we have a knowledge of the covenant. Only out of weakness of the flesh would we disobey after accepting the shed blood of Jesus. Part of that EVERLASTING COVENANT

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Israel Failed - Results?

God brought Israel out of Egyptian BONDAGE as a type of bringing US OUT OF BONDAGE TO SIN AND DEATH. Notice the account!

“Wherefore I [Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Cor. 10:1-4 ] caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them MY statutes, and shewed them MY judgements, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them MY [Jesus Christs’] sabbaths, to be a SIGN between me and them, that they might KNOW that I am the Lord that SANCTIFY them. [Sign in Heb.: beacon, flag, EVIDENCE]. But the house of Israel REBELLED against me in the wilderness:… MY sabbaths they greatly POLLUTED: THEN I SAID, I WOULD POUR OUT MY FURY UPON THEM IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM… Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I WOULD NOT BRING them into the land which I had given them… BECAUSE they despised my judgements, and walked NOT in my statutes, but polluted MY sabbaths: for THEIR HEART went after their idols” (Ezek. 20:1-16). God would NOT let Israel go into the land of promise because of SIN - and one of the MAJOR infractions was breaking the Sabbath, which was evidence He was their God.

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HAS JESUS CHANGED?

Men and churches have tried to create doctrines based upon one scripture or a part of the scripture to justify their beliefs. God’s word stands by itself. God does NOT change His moral concepts.

“Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday [Old Testament times], and today [New Testament times], and for ever” (Heb. 13:8).

Since Jesus does NOT change His approach toward sin, does He punish nations and individuals alike for Sabbath breaking TODAY as He did in Old Testament times? Remember, “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for OUR LEARNING…” (Rom. 15:4).

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NEW TESTAMENT WARNING

An inspired saint wrote a long letter to Hebrew Christians residing in Jerusalem concerning their soon destruction of the Temple and the end of national life as they knew it. He admonished them NOT to give up God’s way just because of the Temple being destroyed.

“Wherefore as the Holy Spirit saith, Today if ye will hear his voice, Harden NOT your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation IN THE WILDERNESS: When your fathers TEMPTED me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do ALWAYS ERR in their heart; and they have NOT KNOWN MY WAYS. So I [Jesus] sware in my wrath, They shall NOT ENTER INTO MY REST. TAKE HEED, brethren [Christians], LEST THERE BE IN ANY OF YOU AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF, in departing from the living God [through disobedi-ence]… So we see that THEY COULD NOT enter BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF. Let US [Christians] therefore FEAR lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to COME SHORT of it.… For he spake in a cer-tain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works… Seeing therefore it REMAINETH that some must ENTER therein [to

the Sabbath], and they to whom it was first preached entered not in BECAUSE of

UNBELIEF [Greek: disobedience]: There remaineth therefore a KEEPING OF A SABBATH to the people of God [The Greek word for REST in the King James Version is #4520 in the Strong’s Concordance, Sabbatismos, meaning the weekly REPOSE as a TYPE of God’s future rest in His kingdom, and comes from the root word #4521 Sabbaton, identical to the Hebrew #7676 meaning: THE SABBATH]. For he [any Christian] that is ENTERED INTO THAT [Sabbath] REST, he also HATH CEASED FROM HIS OWN WORK, AS GOD DID FROM HIS. Let us labour therefore to enter into that [Sabbath] rest, LEST ANY MAN FALL AFTER THE SAME EXAMPLE OF DISOBEDIENCE” (Heb. 3:7-4:11).

How plain! God warns Christians NOT to break His Sabbath as ancient Israel did and LOST OUT on the promised land [a type of the coming kingdom of God].

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Was It - OR - Is It The Jewish Sabbath

Jesus said “The Sabbath was MADE for MAN [Greek meaning, mankind], Therefore the Son of man IS Lord of the Sabbath” (Mk. 2:27-28). The Sabbath was MADE during creation week, nearly 2,000 years before there was, what people term as Jews, trodding on the earth. We have seen God REgave it to Israel when they came out of Egypt.

You cannot find the word Jew [meaning Judite or Judean] in the Bible until 2 Kings 16:5-6 where Israel is at war with the Jews! “Then Rezin king of Syria and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel came up to Jerusalem to war: and they besieged Ahaz [king of Judah], but could not overcome him… and DRAVE THE JEWS from Elath… and dwelt there unto this day.” HOW CAN THIS BE? CHURCHES TEACH THAT JEWS ARE ALL ISRAELITES! That is NOT true at all.

Turn NOW and read 1 Kings 11. It describes how God divided the twelve tribes into separate nations. The Northern Ten Tribes became known as the House of Israel, and the Two Southern Tribes became known as the House of Judah, nicknamed Jews. Judah was only ONE tribe out of twelve, with Benjamin making two tribes.

The Encyclopedia Britannica states concerning the weekly cycle of seven days: “The week is a period of seven days, having no reference whatever to the celestial motions [movements of the sun and moon].… It [seven day cycle] has been employed from time IMMEMORIAL in almost all eastern countries; and as it forms neither an aliquot part of the year nor the lunar month, those who reject the Mosaic recital will be at a loss as Delambre remarks, to assign it an ORIGIN having much semblance of probability” (Theodosius, 4th Century A.D., recorded in the Encyclopedia Britannica, 9th Edition, Vol. 4, P. 664, under the title WEEK).

The seven day weekly cycle, ending with the Sabbath is as old as creation. It NEVER has been - NOR - NEVER will be Jewish. IT IS FOR MANKIND AS JESUS SAID.

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JESUS KEPT THE COMMANDMENTS INCLUDING THE SABBATH

Jesus was the Lord of the Old Testament that pronounced the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, with His own mouth, so Israel would fear Him always. Hebrews 13:8 said He does NOT change.

Jesus stated with His own mouth, while in the flesh, in the Sermon on

the Mount, “Do NOT think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I came

NOT to abolish, but to fulfill [live it as an example for us to follow]. For truly I

say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Who ever then annuls ONE of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 5:17-19).

Jesus stated clearly the law would be in effect UNTIL heaven and earth perish. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

Jesus kept the Feasts [Jn. 7:37-39] and Sabbath. He GAVE it at creation. “And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read” (Lk. 4:16).

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EARLY CHURCH AND THE SABBATH

Many Christians think that the apostles worshipped on the first day of the week [Sunday] instead of the Sabbath. Even though the Bible makes NO SUCH REFERENCE, rather it repeatedly shows they came together on the sabbath day as the Israelites did.

“But going on from Perga, they arrived at Pisidian Antioch, and on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down” (Acts 13:14).

“And as Paul and Barnabus were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath” (Acts 13:42).

“And the next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of God” (Acts 13:44).

Notice, Gentiles as well as scattered Israelites known as Judeans [nicknamed Jews] were keeping the Sabbath day! Paul waited until the NEXT Sabbath to teach them, instead of the next day, Sunday. Paul would have invited the people to join him in Sunday worship if he was teaching such, but he did not. Rather:

“And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled” (Acts 16:13). So we see that Paul did not always meet with Jews on the Sabbath, but other nationalities who were believers or someone to start a conversation with to share the truth.

Paul made it a custom to teach in the synagogue on the Sabbath. “And according to Paul’s CUSTOM, he went to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures” (Acts 17:2).

Twenty years AFTER Jesus’ death and resurrection, Paul and the disciples were still keeping the Sabbath, WHICH is the FOURTH COMMANDMENT.

To be exact, Paul taught for 78 consecutive Sabbaths in one city. He NEVER even hinted at switching from the Sabbath to Sunday.

“And he [Paul] was reasoning in the synagogue EVERY Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews AND Greeks. And he settled there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them” (Acts 18:4,11).

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PROPHECY AND THE MIDDLE AGES

God started a prophecy during the days of Daniel’s captivity by the Babylonians. Daniel chapter 2 is one such utterance. We will focus in on Daniel 7. “These great beasts [governments], which are FOUR ARE FOUR KINGS, which shall arise out of the earth” (V. 17).

Those FOUR governments that were to arise would begin with Babylon. “This is the DREAM; and… the INTERPRETATION…” (Dan. 2:36). “Thou, [Nebuchadnezzar] O king,… art this head of gold” (V. 37-38).

Babylon, starting with King Nebuchadnezzar, ruled the civilized world from 605-538 BC. They were supplanted by the Medo-Persian Empire which ruled from 538-331 BC. Under Alexander the Great, Greece absorbed the known world from 331-168 BC for world rule as the THIRD kingdom. Finally, the mightiest of all four emerged to rule from 168 BC - 476 AD, Rome.

Horns grow out of the head of animals. This beast [government] was to have TEN HORNS growing out of it. When the Roman Empire collapsed in 476 AD, TEN divisions resulted. It was assaulted by barbarians for many years until the Empire finally collapsed: the TEN divisions WITH ten kings resulted.

From the book, The Divine Program of the World’s History, by H. Grattan Guenness, P. 318-321, we read: “The historian Machiavelli, without the slightest reference to this prophecy, gives the following list of the nations which occupied the territory of the Western Empire at the time of the fall of Romulus Augustus (476 AD), the last emperor of Rome: the Lombards, the Franks, the Burgundians, the Ostrogoths, the Visigoths, the Vandals, the Heruli, the Suevi, the Huns, and the Saxons: ten in all.

“And the division is as apparent NOW as ever. Plainly and palpably inscribed on the map of Europe this day, it confronts the skeptic with its silent but conclusive testimony to the FULFILLMENT of this great prophecy. Who can alter or add to this tenfold list of the kingdoms now occupying the sphere of old Rome? Italy, Austria, Switzerland, France, Germany, England, Holland, Belgium, Spain, and Portugal - ten, and NO more; ten, and NO less.”

Why would I mention these 4 kingdoms, and the breakdown of Rome into Ten kingdoms while writing concerning the Sabbath? Let’s see the connection!

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THE “BEAST” and the “LITTLE HORN”

After the collapse of Rome and the emergence of the Ten kingdoms, notice WHAT else would happen!

“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a FOURTH BEAST [Rome], dreadful and terrible… it was diverse [different] from all the beasts that were before it; and it had TEN HORNS. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up AMONG THEM another LITTLE HORN, before whom there were THREE OF THE FIRST HORNS [3 of the 10 kingdoms after Rome’s fall] plucked up by the roots:… in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking GREAT THINGS (Dan. 7:7-8).

V. 25 says concerning this “little horn” - “And he shall speak great words AGAINST the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS: and they [saints] shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” Three and ½ times is 1260 days. In Bible prophecy a day represents a year many times. In this case it does. See Ezek. 4:6 and Num. 14:34.

The Papacy was established in 538 AD, after the Emperor of Rome decreed that the Bishop of Rome should become the head over ALL churches on the earth. From 538 AD, the Papacy ruled for EXACTLY 1260 years until 1798 AD. Something unheard of happened. The Pope was taken prisoner by General Berthier of Napoleon’s army. The captured Pope was taken to France and put in prison where he died. THUS ENDED THE 1260 YEARS OF THE PROPHESIED RULE OF THIS SYSTEM. What did the Popes, as absolute dictator over ALL churches, do during this 1260 years of rule?

“The Pope HAS POWER TO CHANGE TIMES, TO ABROGATE LAWS, and to DISPENSE with all things, even the PRECEPTS of Christ” (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop). Incredible!!!

Bible Readings for the Home, (Washington: Review & Herald Pub. Asso., 1942), P. 221, says “Although the ten commandments, are found in the Roman Catholic Versions of the Scriptures, yet the faithful [Catholics] are instructed from the catechisms of the church, and NOT DIRECTLY from the Bible. As it appears in these [catechisms], the law of God has been CHANGED and virtually RE-ENACTED BY THE Papacy.

“The second commandment, which forbids the making of, and bowing down to images, is OMITTED in Catholic catechisms, and the tenth, which forbids coveting, is DIVIDED into two.” The second Council of Nicea in 787 AD was called to establish image worship in the Catholic church. This council is recorded in Ecclesiastical Annals, by Baronius, Vol. 9, P. 391-407 (Antwerp, 1612); and Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church From the Original

T. Clark ed, 1896), Vol. 5, P. 260-304, 342-372. But WHAT other part of God’s law did the Roman Empire and the Papacy change during this 1260 years of iron grip rule over the civilized world?

>From A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM, by Stephen Keenan, P., 174: “Question - Have you any other way of proving that the church [Roman Catholic] has POWER to institute festivals of precept? “Answer -Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have SUBSTITUTED the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday,

the SEVENTH DAY, a CHANGE for which there is NO scriptural authority.” They admit that they CHANGED God’s seventh day to man’s first day. From THE CONVERT’S CATECHISM OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, P. 50, third edition: “Question -Which is the Sabbath day? Answer

>-Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question - WHY DO WE OBSERVE SUNDAY INSTEAD OF SATURDAY? Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday BECAUSE the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (AD 364), TRANSFERRED THE SOLEMNITY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY.”

>Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, P. 111, states: “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will NOT FIND a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The scriptures ENFORCE the religious observance of SATURDAY, a day which we NEVER sanctify.” Can you talk back to that frank admission?

>In the Council of Trent (1545 AD) the Catholic Church leaders ruled that “tradition” is of GREATER AUTHORITY than the Bible. Jesus said, “But in VAIN do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9).

>The Edict of March 7, 321 AD Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib 3, tit. 12, lex. 3 states: “Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades REST ON THE VENERABLE DAY OF THE SUN.” The pagan festival finally came to be regarded as the “Lord’s Day” by Pope Sylvester in 314-337 AD, and the church leaders pronounced the Biblical Sabbath a relic of the Jews, and those who honored it in obedience to the fourth commandment of God, were pronounced to be “accursed.”

>The FIRST SUNDAY LAW is recorded in the Encyclopedia Britannica, ninth edition, article “Sunday.” “The earliest recognition of the observation of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine in 321 AD enacting that all courts of justice, inhabitants of towns, and workshops were to be at rest on Sunday [venerabili die Solis], with an exception in favor of those engaged in agricultural labor.”

>The Latin original is in the Codes Justiniani (Codes of Justinian), lib. 3, title 12, lex. 3. The law is given in Latin and in English in Philip Schaff’s History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, 3d period, chapter 7, sec. 75, Pg. 380, footnote

>1. The Codes of Justinian were also printed in Albert Henry Newman’s A Manual of Church History, (Philadelphia: The American Baptist Publication Society, 1933), rev. ed., Vol. 1 P. 305-307, AND in Leroy E. Froom, The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers (Washington D.C.: Review & Herald Publishing Asso., 1950), Vol. 1, P. 376-381.

Remember, after Constantine started the changing process, the “Little Horn” came up in 538 AD. Through the centuries the Catholic Church has made unbelievable statements. “The Pope has POWER to CHANGE times, to ABROGATE laws, and to DISPENSE with all things, EVEN the precepts of Christ.” “The Pope has authority and OFTEN exercised it, to dispense with the COMMAND of Christ” (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. “The Pope can MODIFY divine law” (Ferraris’ Ecclesiastical Dictionary).

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The Bible Forbidden

A ruling was handed down at the Council of Toulouse which stated: “We PROHIBIT laymen possessing copies of the Old and New Testament… We FORBID them most severely to have the above books in the popular vernacular [language]” “The lords of the districts shall carefully SEEK OUT the HERETICS in dwellings, hovels, and forests, and even their underground retreats shall be entirely wiped out” (Concil Tolosanum, Pope Gregory IX, Anno. Chr. 1229).

The Council of Tarragona ruled: “NO ONE may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after the promulgation of this decree, so that they MAY BE BURNED” (D. Lortsch, Histoire de la Bible en France, 1910, P. 14).

The Popes even classified Bible Societies with Communism. On December 8, 1866, Pope Pius IX, in his encyclical Quanta Cura issued the following statement: “Socialism, Communism, clandestine societies, Bible societies …pests of this sort must be DESTROYED by ALL means.”

Why keep the Bible out of the peoples hands? Simple! If the lay members read the Bible, they would discover the awful truth about their spiritual DICTATORS. THEY CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE (2 Thes. 2:113).

And finally, concerning the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD and its decisions: “The seventh day Sabbath was solemnized by Christ, the apostles, and primitive Christians till the Laodicean Council did, in a manner, quite ABOLISH the observance of it. The Council of Laodicea [AD 364] first settled the observance of the ‘Lord’s Day.’” (See Prynne’s Dissertation On The Lord’s Day Sabbath, P. 163).

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What Modern Ministers Admit

Episcopal: “The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday” (Phillip Carrington, quoted in Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949, Anglican archbishop of Quebec, spoke the above in a message on this subject delivered to a packed assembly of clergymen. It was widely reported at the time in the news media).

Anglican: “And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are NOWHERE commanded to keep the first day. The REASON WHY we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things -NOT BECAUSE THE BIBLE, but because the [Catholic] church, has enjoined [commanded] it.” (Isaac Williams, Plain Sermons on the Catechism, Vol. 1, P. 334,336.)

Dwight L. Moody: “I honestly believe that this commandment [the Sabbath] is JUST AS BINDING TODAY as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated [abolished], but they have NEVER been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did NOTHING to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its TRUE place.

“The [Seventh-day] Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force EVER since. This fourth commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] BEGINS with the word ‘REMEMBER’ showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will ADMIT that the other nine are STILL binding?” (Dwight L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, 1898, P. 46-47. He was the most famous evangelist of his time, and founder of the Moody Bible Institute).

Church of England: “Take which you will, either the ‘fathers’ of the moderns, and we shall find NO Lord’s Day instituted by any apostolic mandate, no sabbath set on foot by them upon the first day of the week.” (Dr. Peter Heylyn of the Church of England, quoted in History of the Sabbath, Part 2, chapter 1, page 410).

American Congregationalists: “The current notion that Christ and His apostles authoritatively SUBSTITUTED the first day FOR the seventh is absolutely without any authority in the New Testament” (Dr. Lyman Abbott, in the Christian Union, June 26, 1890).

Disciples of Christ: “If it [the Sabbath Day] yet exist, let us observe it… And if it does not exist, let us abandon a mock observance of another day for it. ‘But,’ say some, ‘it was changed from the seventh to the first day.’ Where? when? and by whom? NO, it NEVER was changed, nor could it be, UNLESS creation was to be gone through again: for the REASON ASSIGNED must be changed before the observance or respect to the reason, can be changed. It is all old wives’ fables to talk of the ‘change of the sabbath’ from the seventh to the first day. If it be changed, it was that august personage changed it who changes times and laws ex officio. I think his name is ‘Doctor Antichrist.’” (Alexander Campbell, The

>Christian Baptist, Feb. 2, 1824, Vol. 1, No. 7). Methodist: “It is true that there is no positive command for infant bap

tism. Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week. Many believe

that Christ changed the Sabbath. But, from His own words, we see that He came for NO SUCH PURPOSE. Those who believe that Jesus changed the sabbath base it on a SUPPOSITION” (Amos Binney, Theological Compendium, 1902 edition,

P. 180-181,171, Methodist minister and presiding elder, whose Compendium was published for forty years in many languages, also wrote a Methodist New Testament Commentary).

Lutheran: “They [the Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord’s day, as it seemeth, to the Decalogue [Ten Commandments]; and they have NO example more than their mouths than the change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church’s power to be very great, because it hath DISPENSED with a precept of the Decalogue.” (The Augsburg Confession, 1530 AD [Lutheran], part 2, art. 7, in Philip Schaff, the Creeds of Christendom, fourth edition, Vol. 3, P. 64. This important statement was made by the Lutherans and written by Melanchthon, only thirteen years after Luther nailed his theses to the door and began the Reformation).

Congregationalist: “The Christian Sabbath [Sunday] IS NOT in the Scripture, and was NOT by the primitive [early Christian] church called the Sabbath” (Timothy Dwight, Theology, sermon 107, 1818 ed., Vol. IV, P. 49. Dwight was President of Yale University from 1795-1817).

Episcopalian: “We have made the change FROM the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ” (Episopalian Bishop Symour, Why We Keep Sunday).

Catholic Church: “The Catholic Church …by virtue of her divine mission, CHANGED THE DAY from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893. The Mirror, a Baltimore based weekly, was the official organ for Cardinal Gibbons).

Catholic Church: “If we consulted the Bible ONLY, we should STILL have to keep holy the Sabbath, that is, SATURDAY” (John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, 1936 edition, vol, 1, P. 51).

Catholic Church: “Some of the truths that have been handed down to us by tradition and are NOT recorded in the Sacred Scriptures, are the following: That there are just seven sacraments; that there is a purgatory; that, in the new law [the Catholic law], Sunday should be kept holy INSTEAD of the Sabbath; that infants should be baptized, and that there are precisely seventy-two books in the Bible [66 which are inspired, plus six apocryphal books accepted by Rome]” (Francis J. Butler, Holy Family Catechism No. 3, P. 63. Butler was a Catholic priest of Boston and an author of a series of catechisms).

Catholic Church: “Question - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy-days? Answer - By the VERY ACT of CHANGING the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of [by observing it]; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church” (Priest Henry Tuberville, An Abridgement of the Christian Doctrine, P. 58. In 1833, Tuberville received a papal approbation, a special approval, on this book).

Catholic Church: “Protestants …accept Sunday RATHER THAN Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church MADE THE CHANGE…But the Protestant mind does NOT seem to realize that in ACCEPTING the Bible, in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the AUTHORITY of the spokesman for the church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, Feb. 5, 1950. This is one of the largest U.S. Roman Catholic magazines).

Catholic Church: “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he IS Jesus Christ Himself, HIDDEN UNDER VEIL OF FLESH” (The Catholic National, July 1895). No wonder the Catholics accept the change of the Sabbath to Sunday! They think of the Pope as Christ Himself in making the change. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE POPE IS GOD? THEN WHY CONTINUE KEEPING THE POPE’S DAY?

Catholic Church: “It was the Catholic Church which, by the authority of Jesus Christ, has TRANSFERRED this rest to Sunday… Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants IS AN HOMAGE THEY PAY, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church” (Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, 1868, P. 213. L. G. Segur was a French Catholic prelate and apologist, and later a diplomatic and judicial official at Rome).

Catholic Church: “For ages all Christian nations looked to the Catholic Church, and, as we have seen, the various states ENFORCED BY LAW HER ORDINANCES as to worship and cessation of labor on Sunday. PROTESTANISM, IN DISCARDING THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH, HAS NO GOOD REASON FOR ITS SUNDAY THEORY, AND OUGHT LOGICALLY, TO KEEP SATURDAY AS THE SABBATH. The State in passing laws for the due Sanctification of Sunday, is UNWITTINGLY acknowledging the authority of the Catholic Church, and carrying out more or less faithfully its prescriptions. The Sunday as a day of the week set apart for the obligatory public worship of Almighty God is purely a CREATION OF THE Catholic Church” (John Gilmary Shea, in the American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883, P. 139).

CONCLUSION

The Sabbath has been kept by God’s people from creation onward, was

codified in the Ten Commandments, kept by Jesus, kept by the apostolic church,

and to be kept in these last days before Jesus’ return and will be kept during the millennium [1000 year reign of Jesus].

Keeping God’s Sabbath is an inescapable duty of Godly people today, just as it has always been.

We may be blessed of God if we follow Jesus’ exhortation in Matt. 4:4 to “live…by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord.”

May God bless you in your effort to understand His will for His people today.



TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: 666loonyism; anticatholicism; churchhistory; sabbath; seventhdayadventism; tencommandments
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1 posted on 05/02/2009 2:35:35 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
i always thought it was changed from Sat to Sun because Christ was risen on a Sunday...
2 posted on 05/02/2009 3:00:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Truly wonderful and full of scriptures proving so many things. Thank you.


3 posted on 05/02/2009 3:02:02 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Chode

A common misconception..


4 posted on 05/02/2009 3:27:17 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: DouglasKC

ping


5 posted on 05/02/2009 3:47:30 PM PDT by STYRO
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
"until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished"

This should apply to all the commandments....not just the Sabbath.

6 posted on 05/02/2009 4:08:18 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Chode
" i always thought it was changed from Sat to Sun because Christ was risen on a Sunday...">/I>

Bingo, we have a winner. Christianity celebrates the Resurrection and the victory over death.

7 posted on 05/02/2009 4:23:03 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law; Chode
Early Church Fathers - Worship on Sabbath or Sunday
8 posted on 05/02/2009 4:48:13 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Natural Law
" i always thought it was changed from Sat to Sun because Christ was risen on a Sunday..."

Bingo, we have a winner. Christianity celebrates the Resurrection and the victory over death.

The problem with this analysis, of course....is the simple fact that the Greek language no where shows Sunday as the day of resurrection. The original manuscripts all say "The Sabbath". The Catholic/Protestant bloc would have you believe otherwise....and they use this spurious claim to continue their illegitimate position regarding the first day of the week (Sunday). [Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][Luke 24:1][John 20:1] all say "On one of the Sabbaths". The word in the Greek is SABBATWN which means a special Sabbath....one that is counted between Passover and Pentecost [Leviticus 23:15-16].

9 posted on 05/02/2009 6:19:15 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan; Salvation
From my current reading:
The principle underlying the Sabbath is formulated in the Decalogue itself. It consists in this, that man must copy God in the course of life. The divine creative work completed itself in six days, whereupon the seventh followed as a day of rest for God. In connection with God, "rest" cannot, of course, mean mere cessation from labour, far less recovery from fatigue. Such a meaning is by no means required by the Old Testament usage of the word. "Rest" resembles the word "peace" in this respect, that it has in Scripture, in fact to the Shemitic mind generally, a positive rather than a negative import. It stands for consummation of a work accomplished and the joy and satisfaction attendant upon this. Such was its prototype in God. Mankind must copy this, and that not only in the sequences of daily existence as regards individuals; but in its collective capacity through a large historic movement. For mankind, too, a great task waits to be accomplished, and at its close beckons a rest of joy and satisfaction that shall copy the rest of God.

Before all other important things, therefore, the Sabbath is an expression of the eschatological principle on which the life of humanity has been constructed.

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The universal Sabbath law received a modified significance under the Covenant of Grace. The work which issues into the rest can now no longer be man's own work. It becomes the work of Christ. This the Old Testament and the New Testament have in common. But they differ as to the perspective in which they each see th emergence of work and rest. Inasmuch as the Old Covenant was still looking forward to the performance of the Messianic work, naturally the days of labour to it come first, the day of rest falls at the end of the week. We, under the New Covenant, look back upon the accomplished work of Christ. We, therefore, first celebrate the rest in principle procured by Christ, although the Sabbath also still remains a sign looking forward to the final eschatological rest. The Old Testament people of God had to typify in their life the future developments of redemption. Consequently the precedence of labour and the consequence of rest had to find expression in their calendar. The New Testament Church has no such typical function to perform, for the types have been fulfilled. But is has a great historic event to commemorate, the performance of the work of Christ and the entrance of Him and of His people through Him upon the state of never-ending rest. We do not sufficiently realize the profound sense the early Church had of the epoch-making significance of the appearance, and especially of the resurrection of the Messiah. The latter was to them nothing less than the bringing in of a new, the second, creation. And they felt that this ought to find expression in the placing of the Sabbath with reference to the other days of the week. Believers knew themselves in a measure partakers of the Sabbath-fulfillment. If the one creation required on sequence, then the other required another. It has been strikingly observed, that our Lord died on the eve of that Jewish Sabbath, at th end of one of these typical weeks of labour by which His work and its consummation were prefigured. And Christ entered upon His rest, the rest of His new, eternal life on the first day of the week, so that the Jewish Sabbath comes to lie between, was, as it were, disposed of, buried in His grave. (Delitzsch.) If there is in the New Testament no formal enactment regarding this change, the cause lies in the superfluousness of it. Doubtless Jewish Christians began with observing both days, and only gradually the instinctive perception of the sacredness of the day of the Lord's resurrection began to make itself felt.

--Geerhardus Vos, Biblical Theology, Banner of Truth Press, p 140-142

Hmmm. WWCoG spin-off?

10 posted on 05/02/2009 7:31:45 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

My goodness the stench!

I thought I was driving past a pulp mill but no, that sulfurous stench is anti-Catholic hatred.


11 posted on 05/02/2009 7:33:16 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618

Christ was crucified, died and was buried on Friday and rose again from the dead on Sunday.


12 posted on 05/02/2009 7:34:25 PM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Petronski; All
Christ was crucified, died and was buried on Friday and rose again from the dead on Sunday.

This is a fantasy that has been perpetuated for the last 1700 years. The reason it became implanted to begin with was the sheer power of the newly formed Church/State system which saw to it that all contrary thought and opinion was forbidden and punishable by death for anyone who continued in that vein. Any doctrine that smacked of Judaism was declared a heresy and totally eliminated from Catholic dogma. Unfortunately....they neglected to consider that Our Lord and the Apostles....as well as most of the early Christians were Jewish! In fact Christianity was considered a sect of Judaism 30 years after the crucifixion [Acts 28:21-22]. Think how silly people would appear if they called modern Catholicism a Jewish sect today. This will give you an idea of how far this insidious organization has taken the "Church of the First Century".....and demolished the original intent of Our Lord and the Apostles!

This diabolical system has grown to represent most of the false doctrine that has much of humanity perpetually confused about Our Lord and God of the universe. It had been infused with paganism to make it attractive to the masses and over the years has gained an aura of legitimacy.

However.....a cursory examination of the doctrines of the Catholic Church will find that most are wrong, most are invented, most are non scriptural and all are devised to keep the masses ignorant.

A classic example of what I write of appears at the top of this post. Christ was crucified on a Wednesday (easy to verify for the curious), He was buried shortly before sundown on that same day (14th Nisan, 30 A.D.) (again, very simple to prove with secular world history), and He arose from the dead on the Sabbath. The Greek Language proves this, the original manuscripts testify to it and any one who has the slightest interest in learning the truth about this question has no excuse for continuing to believe the lies that have been told about this event for the last 1700 years.

You can kick and scream all you want about your silly little Friday afternoon/Sunday morning affair but the truth is unchangeable and is written for all to see.

13 posted on 05/02/2009 8:06:38 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Petronski

Gnosticism never dies...its devotees do.

Imagine all the ink that could have been spilled on “harvesting” if our Lord had not slapped that one down.


14 posted on 05/02/2009 8:18:44 PM PDT by papertyger (Advertising makes journalism an assault weapon.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

I’ll stick to Saturday, thanks.


15 posted on 05/03/2009 7:04:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Lee N. Field
Thanks for the insight, Geerhardus Vos has some good teaching.

So if I got it right those that are alive in Christ don't necessary rest on Sunday or Saturday(which is part of works) but celebrate the peace that Christ brings us in his new creation.

Could we say that while Christ was in the grave he was still doing his work of interceeded for us from a non visible viewpoint, I'm not quite sure what that work would of been from a theological point of view and I'm not sure if I'm entering the territory of heresy, but what I'm thinking right now is that Christ did not not fully rest/or celebrate from his order of salvation until he arose from the grave. The question that comes to my mind trying to grasp the order of salvation is this where does the mediation/intercession fit into the whole scheme. Is it fully finished with the physical death of Christ or is it continualed in heaven right after the death of Christ, what I'm thinking of is that the physical death of Christ on the cross is not the end of of the mediation/intercession but their is more to it that went on right after his death. Am I wash up or on the right track.

Ok lets assume I'm on the right track, basically those that argue worshipping on Saturday are missing a step in their theology. Basically a poor mans theology, simplistic theology that unrelentlessly keeps simplifying their theology till there is nothing left of substance, that the poor uneducated that don't want to think can grasp and be happy with to justify their works of going to Church on Saturday or Sunday, bascially a feel good theology. Ok I'm sure to get flame on that last paragraph.

16 posted on 05/03/2009 7:13:36 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
pinging the GRPL list to see what the reformed think of my rant and rave on #16, and to add or clarify my thinking, is their more to the work of Christ between the physical death of Christ and the Resurrection, is their a step inbetween. Enquiring mind wants to know.
17 posted on 05/03/2009 7:23:21 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Diego1618
No, this baloney about how all Christendom is wrong and a select coterie of hebraicists are right is the fantasy.

Over and over and over this "pagan day of the Sun" claim is made, disproved, and then reposted as if nothing happened. The other name for that is LYING.

However.....a cursory examination of the doctrines of the Catholic Church will find that most are wrong, most are invented, most are non scriptural and all are devised to keep the masses ignorant.

But an intelligent, thoughtful, prayerful examination will demonstrate otherwise. Next time try doing better than cursory.

18 posted on 05/03/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Salvation

Now, now, you don’t want to throw evidence in there to spoil a good heresy justifying their separation from His Church.


19 posted on 05/03/2009 7:31:48 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: Petronski
I wish those who have separated themselves from Christ's Church would switch to Saturday. Beach traffic would be much more manageable with some of them attending services (whatever the heck that is) once in awhile.
20 posted on 05/03/2009 7:36:39 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: papertyger

If a man with summer tires gets caught in snow and ice, and becomes stuck, he will sometimes gun the engine, thinking that ever more of the same will get him free.

What he’s really doing is warming the ice enough to make it even more slippery, and his situation only gets worse. In other words, he is lying to himself and suffering the further pains of his own self-deception.

Only when he admits he is stuck and steps out of his own errors to seek help from the sure-footed (a 4x4 tow truck known as the Church founded by Christ) can he escape the consequences of his own misfortunate mistakes.


21 posted on 05/03/2009 7:44:12 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618

All Christians are Catholic or Protestant, though you can continue to pretend otherwise if you wish.


22 posted on 05/03/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
...He was buried shortly before sundown on that same day (14th Nisan, 30 A.D.) (again, very simple to prove with secular world history), and He arose from the dead on the Sabbath. ....

Assuming your right then I can assume that Christ rested on Friday (unless I'm missing something). And If I'm not missing something then accordingly from your theology shouldn't you be resting on worshipping on Friday instead of Saturday, and I don't mean starting on Friday evening.

The problem I have with arguing dates is that if God wanted us to know the physical exact dates he would of had the Apostles record the exact dates so that there would be no question in mind, that is a personal opinion though.

I've seen both sides of theological schools quote the Church fathers, for their side of their arguments. Some do better at quoting them then other, basically there is a lot of quoting taking out of context, just as many theological schools take the scriptures out of context. So basically I have a problem with certain Schools of theology trying to prove their cases with historical data when they can't even get their theology of scripture correct.

23 posted on 05/03/2009 7:45:36 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Diego1618
The problem with this analysis, of course....is the simple fact that the Greek language no where shows Sunday as the day of resurrection.

However, since sola Scriptura is a lie, there is no reason to rely on Scripture alone (let alone microscopic misinterpretation thereof). Indeed, Christ left us His Church--the Catholic Church--to guide us and protect us from those who would brazenly misapply His message for their own personal self-aggrandizement.

24 posted on 05/03/2009 7:50:01 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Petronski
Over and over and over this "pagan day of the Sun" claim is made, disproved, and then re posted as if nothing happened

Oh....? I must have missed that. Could you enlighten me on the evidence for disproving? I will need scripture, of course....and not the insane rambling of confused clerics.

While you're at it....tell everyone why the Greek in [Matthew 28:1][Mark 16:2][Luke 24:1][and John 20:1] does not say "PROTOS TES HEMERA HEBDOMADOS". That, of course is the Greek for "first day of the week" and appears no where in scripture! Not even anything similar!

You're silly little doctrine is an invention of foolish little men claiming to be infallible.... and their theology is a fraud!

25 posted on 05/03/2009 7:53:59 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Petronski; Diego1618
Indeed, Christ left us His Church--the Catholic Church--to guide us and protect us from those who would brazenly misapply His message for their own personal self-aggrandizement.

And indeed one only need look upon the chaos called protestantism to see what happens when one separates oneself from that protection. Sola becomes so-lost.

26 posted on 05/03/2009 7:55:49 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: Diego1618
Oh....? I must have missed that.

ANY one of the previous threads on the topic.

I will need scripture, of course....

Sola Scriptura is a lie.

...and not the insane rambling of confused clerics.

Don't worry, I won't quote your sources.

27 posted on 05/03/2009 7:57:48 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: onedoug
I’ll stick to Saturday, thanks.

Same here.

28 posted on 05/03/2009 7:58:54 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Diego1618; Petronski
You're silly little doctrine is an invention of foolish little men claiming to be infallible.... and their theology is a fraud!

Wow. Long time since I heard that much disdain for the Apostles...or heck, even Jesus Christ himself, who gave them the power to loose and bind.

29 posted on 05/03/2009 8:04:32 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: ReformedBeckite
The problem I have with arguing dates is that if God wanted us to know the physical exact dates he would of had the Apostles record the exact dates so that there would be no question in mind, that is a personal opinion though.

Oh but they did! "MIA TWN SABBATWN" is the Greek that is used to identify the first special Sabbath between Passover and Pentecost. All the resurrection verses use these Greek words to identify the day of resurrection. It was not the first day of the week. It is silly to argue that point as the Greek says very plainly "On one of the Sabbaths".

Fraudulent theology has purposely mistranslated these Greek words, attempting to place their own bias for a Sunday morning resurrection in the face of unsuspecting mankind. Most folks are taught from early childhood about a sunrise Sunday morning resurrection. They have been deceived and it is very simple to find the truth.

I would recommend reading the Greek.....instead of some ones biased translation.

30 posted on 05/03/2009 8:04:58 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: big'ol_freeper
Wow. Long time since I heard that much disdain for the Apostles...or heck, even Jesus Christ himself, who gave them the power to loose and bind.

Your innuendo is misplaced because everyone here knows who the "silly little men were....and are"!

31 posted on 05/03/2009 8:09:02 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
YHvH's blessings on you and your house !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

32 posted on 05/03/2009 8:10:34 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Diego1618

You may have had someone else in mind but since there is abundant evidence that the first Christians worshiped on Sunday your reference to “silly little men” can only mean the Apostles.


33 posted on 05/03/2009 8:11:31 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: big'ol_freeper
And indeed one only need look upon the chaos called protestantism to see what happens when one separates oneself from that protection. Sola becomes so-lost.

Well.....we agree for a change!

34 posted on 05/03/2009 8:12:29 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: big'ol_freeper
You may have had someone else in mind but since there is abundant evidence that the first Christians worshiped on Sunday your reference to “silly little men” can only mean the Apostles.

This is your assignment. Please provide proof of your statements of early Sunday worship in the First century Church.

35 posted on 05/03/2009 8:14:35 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

Heck that is easy teach. Already been covered on numerous threads such as: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1806220/posts


36 posted on 05/03/2009 8:15:57 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: big'ol_freeper
Wow. Long time since I heard that much disdain for the Apostles...

You're right though, we should expect that from anti-Church iconoclasm.

...or heck, even Jesus Christ himself, who gave them the power to loose and bind.

It is after all His Church.

37 posted on 05/03/2009 8:17:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
...everyone here knows who the "silly little men were....and are"!

Iconoclasts do indeed stand in stark contrast to the Apostles, fathers of the Church founded by Christ.

38 posted on 05/03/2009 8:19:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Diego1618
The usual suspect :
the sophomores running up and down the halls shouting ;
"our Jesus is a Roman Catholic subject to the silly little men in Rome!" Forgive me L-rd.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

39 posted on 05/03/2009 8:28:19 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Heck that is easy teach.

Well....evidently difficult for you as all of your sources except one date from after the first century. And there is no proof of the authenticity of the other.

The Didache says.....according to your thread: But every Lord's day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.

Just what does the original Language here call the "Lord's Day"? Was this canonized? Why not? Oh....they found it much later? I see.

40 posted on 05/03/2009 8:30:51 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: XeniaSt

First you slander Christ and then you say shalom...that is actually pretty funny..and sad.


41 posted on 05/03/2009 8:31:08 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: Diego1618

The Didache also says that day is “the day of the sun”.


42 posted on 05/03/2009 8:32:09 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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To: XeniaSt
The usual suspect : the sophomores running up and down the halls shouting.

You nailed it, Chuck!

43 posted on 05/03/2009 8:33:50 AM PDT by Diego1618
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To: All
The usual suspect : the sophomores running up and down the halls shouting ; "our Jesus is a Roman Catholic subject to the silly little men in Rome!"
Which thread was that?
44 posted on 05/03/2009 8:41:21 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: big'ol_freeper

Even funnier—even sadder—thing about a statement like that is the way it ignores Exodus 20:16.


45 posted on 05/03/2009 9:02:30 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Marysecretary

The article at the top of the thread is a pack of lies signifying nothing but hatred for the Church founded by Christ.

But you praise it.

Interesting.


46 posted on 05/03/2009 9:04:21 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: big'ol_freeper
First you slander Christ and then you say shalom...

Slander the Jewish Messiah, I think not !

You and the sophomores bear false witness.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
47 posted on 05/03/2009 9:09:00 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Denial of the slander is a lie in itself.


48 posted on 05/03/2009 9:12:19 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: big'ol_freeper
In fact, let's take a closer look, shall we?

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Now, the claim is made--using quotation marks--that someone here said "our Jesus is a Roman Catholic subject to the silly little men in Rome!"

Yet that quote does not appear on this thread (or any other) as a comment believed by the person who posted it.

The essence of this open-ended malattribution is a smear, a bearing of false witness.

"Sad" doesn't begin to cover it.

49 posted on 05/03/2009 9:16:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Learn about the 'cytokine storm.')
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To: Petronski

And indeed you are correct. On the other hand it also mocks the Savior as if he could possibly be “subject” to that which he created.

On the other hand there is an exegesis that suggests such a “subjection” and that is the belief that one can create one’s own very personal Christ using one’s own individual fabricated interpretation of Holy Scripture.

He can be anything one wants him to be by simply selecting and misinterpreting selected verses out of one’s redacted Bible and claiming that by one’s own brilliance one knows that which others for 2000 years were incapable of figuring out.


50 posted on 05/03/2009 9:23:40 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("You used to be so charming, before you 'became' God")
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