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Jonah Goldberg: Trump Fans, It's Time for an Intervention
National Review Online ^ | 7-11-2015 | Jonah Goldberg (or…)

Posted on 07/13/2015 9:26:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

Isnip)......I truly, honestly, and with all my heart and mind think Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters are making a yuuuuuuge mistake. I think they are being conned and played. I feel like a guy whose brother is being taken advantage of by a grifter. I’m watching helplessly as the con artist congratulates him for taking out a third mortgage......(snip)

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To: C. Edmund Wright

Trump is forcing the country to have that “honest conversation about race” and some people aren’t happy about it.


61 posted on 07/13/2015 9:47:27 AM PDT by subterfuge (Minneseeota: the laughingstock of the nation - for lots of reasons!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

But, Trump is saying what most conservatives are thinking...the country has drifted to the left under the current spate of Repubs (yeah, the Repubs). He likely does not believe he would be elected, but he has a bully pulpit now and is the lightning rod for the left. He also is informing the other candidates what agenda items are hot, needed, and better be included without them needing to send up trial balloons. I love the guy’s brashness and there is a great strategic value.


62 posted on 07/13/2015 9:47:30 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: subterfuge

Thank you for not reading the article.

Your point, which is 100% valid, was conceded in the article......which you are afraid to confront.


63 posted on 07/13/2015 9:48:03 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright; cripplecreek

I had a conversation earlier with a Trump supporter. I couldn’t get the person to answer a single direct question about Trump’s claims/plans. Instead, I received a lot of “Cruz is incompetent...Trump is a leader...we need a leader.”

Let’s see how this goes.


64 posted on 07/13/2015 9:48:07 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: Puppage

If the others are afraid to talk about illegal immigration, then I’m afraid they will cave if elected and ignore it the way they have always done. We need someone who will actually act on their issues.


65 posted on 07/13/2015 9:48:14 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The most troubling defense is this claptrap that he “tells it like it is.” Well, first of all, no he doesn’t. He tells it the way you want to hear it, which is an entirely different thing. He is like William Jennings Bryan, only his cross of gold has an all-you-can-eat buffet under it, and looks remarkably like a capital “T.”

My misgivings about Trump stated to a 'T'! As much as I enjoy the Donald show, I don't trust him as far as I could throw him...but I DO admire the way he's stuck to his guns so far.

66 posted on 07/13/2015 9:48:21 AM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I just think Cruz, for example, gives us the same willingness to take on those very groups - and in fact, has done so for his entire adult life...something Trump cannot say.

Trump is getting the Ronald Reagan treatment by the same folks. Cruz is my man. But he currently has 1/4 the support. How many non voters are his reality show viewers? That number is large. If he brings them in, landslide.

If Trump endorses a primary challenger, the incumbent will probably lose.

My take is watch and wait. He may flame out. If not, ending the illegal flood alone will make him a grew President.

67 posted on 07/13/2015 9:48:57 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

> I think they are being conned and played

Nah, just having a little fun before actual decisions are made. It will help shake some other positions out of the trees.


68 posted on 07/13/2015 9:49:01 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I understand Trump may not be a true conservative, but I believe he loves this country...he is pro life, pro military/veteran, pro jobs, pro American, and is NOT beholden to the special interest groups. What am I missing? And yes, Ted Cruz is a very good candidate, who stood up during the healthcare debate....but nothing happened, did it? Trump got Obama to show his fake birth certificate AND has opened up the immigration issue wide open. His press conference with the victims’s parents was epic and heartfelt. I loved it. So if I am being fooled, so be it.


69 posted on 07/13/2015 9:49:53 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: CatherineofAragon
Let’s see how this goes.

Sadly, it's going exactly as predicted. Only one Trump supporter (and by the way, I support his being in the race now, but not for the nomination) has been honest and intellectual. The rest seem to think Jonah Goldberg is the point. I guess the old saying is right, small minds focus on personalities while great minds focus on ideas.....

70 posted on 07/13/2015 9:50:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Illegal immigration is a compound problem...I can see why many are on board with what appears to be a singular issue...

Truth to power or some such comes to mind...but directed at all Americans, not just the idiots in DC.


71 posted on 07/13/2015 9:50:29 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Trump, historically, is a social liberal. He seems to be conservative on immigration, and by implication, law enforcement. He has not done anything to convince me that he will be a fiscal conservative, as I think he will throw money at problems. I think he will be conservative on national security and foreign policy, but have no proof of that.

He is a mixed bag, like many other candidates. I don’t know that there is one perfect conservative candidate out there, but there definitely are a few that are more conservative than Trump.


72 posted on 07/13/2015 9:50:34 AM PDT by Ironfocus (Texas!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I think they are being conned and played. ,,

Of course we are. The question is really which con artist do we vote for? We pretty much know what a Bush (and McConnell and Bohner) will do but with Trump we have an inkling of hope that things could be different. So, its not if we get conned. It is how we get conned.

73 posted on 07/13/2015 9:50:41 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: C. Edmund Wright
As Lincoln said about Grant: "He fights."

As opposed to the more measured, thoughtful, conservative General McClelland.

You Platonist conservatives are looking for the perfect candidate who agrees with you perfectly, in all issues, and prioritizes them exactly as you do.

It's silly. This is war.

These lib commies are trying to obliterate us and the USA. Get real, and get real quickly.

74 posted on 07/13/2015 9:50:47 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Blue Turtle
What am I missing

A lot, much of which is in the article, which you too refuse to read and confront. Your point about Cruz is totally absurd too, but I'll not go into that now.

75 posted on 07/13/2015 9:51:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Jonah Goldberg=South Basher

=elite useful idiot

=Rich Lowery’s tinker bell


76 posted on 07/13/2015 9:51:35 AM PDT by wardaddy (Mark Levin.....I love him...but he is ignorant of Dixie)
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To: tanknetter

Wow, great post. I wish I thought of that.


77 posted on 07/13/2015 9:51:39 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Solson

Now, now... if it wasn’t for Lucianne’s help and Buckley’s diminished judgement Jonah would have had to get a real job instead of wrecking National Review.


78 posted on 07/13/2015 9:52:33 AM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Don’t start insulting me pal. I read the article and don’t agree. Live with it.


79 posted on 07/13/2015 9:52:44 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: wardaddy

Thank you for being predictably unintelligent about this. Rich Lowry is not running for Prez, and neither is Goldberg. Lowry, btw, wrote a nice piece about Trump - so you have egg on your face on that.

Why don’t you put down your fan boy hat and join the discussion of issues and ideas at the adult table.


80 posted on 07/13/2015 9:52:52 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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