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Win or lose, Obama was not and is not the president (affidavit on birth certificate forgery)
WND ^ | November 06, 2012 | Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Posted on 11/07/2012 3:33:09 PM PST by Perseverando

As I write, it is not yet clear who has won the presidential election. Win or lose, though, Mr Obama was not and is not the president. The Hawaiian long-form “birth certificate” he publicly endorsed and posted at the White House website last year as proof that he was born in the jurisdiction of the U.S. and is thus constitutionally eligible to be president is a forgery.

I can prove it.

I have been asked to prepare an affidavit in one of the 80 court cases U.S. citizens have filed in the hope of persuading someone – anyone – in office to lift a trembling, liver-spotted finger and do something about the forgery.

The affidavit, which I shall be swearing today, is posted here, with the written permission of the plaintiff’s attorney.

In very simple language, the affidavit explains how mathematicians apply probability theory to determine the probability that suspect documents are genuine.

The diligent, unpaid heroes who have been investigating the dodgy document for more than a year on behalf of the people of Maricopa County, Ariz., have found a long list of irregularities in Mr. Obama’s identification documents.

I have used the investigators’ list to draw up a schedule of probabilities – one for each individual irregularity. The probability that the “birth certificate” and other Obama identity documents are genuine is just 1 in 75 sextillion.

I have used this method to catch con men before. I used it to demonstrate that Al Gore’s sci-fi movie was political, not scientific. The High Court in London ordered Britain’s Education Department to issue 77 pages of corrective guidance before the movie could be shown to innocent pupils.

If a document is genuine, its few irregularities will

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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Yeah, yeah, I know Obama showed the world his certificate of live birth. He couldn't get a drivers license in most states with that.

If Obama doesn't want to show his documentation, then I want to see it!

1 posted on 11/07/2012 3:33:18 PM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Obama could come out and announce his Kenyan birth on national TV at this point and it wouldn’t matter a hill of beans.

America voted for handouts. They don’t give a crap where he was born... and apparently neither does our republican representatives in congress.

Unless there is clear evidence of voter fraud to a scale that changes the election results, this election and country is over.

Welcome to Tyranny.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 3:40:31 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Perseverando

Oh please, not this $#!+ again.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 3:41:13 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Safrguns

Obama could come out and announce his Kenyan birth on national TV at this point and it wouldn’t matter a hill of beans.


Last night while I was upstairs checking FR, my wife switched to NHK (Japanese TV) coverage of the election. NHK is reporting that Obama was born in Kenya.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 3:42:46 PM PST by OwenKellogg
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To: Perseverando
Who gives a FFF now?

Go spew your BS on a conspiracy blog Chris, no one cares!

5 posted on 11/07/2012 3:44:54 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Perseverando

Yeah this is what we need, more birther crap.

Geeze, just let it go already. This garbage is never going to amount to anything.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 3:45:27 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Safrguns
Obama could come out and announce his Kenyan birth on national TV at this point and it wouldn’t matter a hill of beans.

The title of the thread says it all. I think you're referring only to the "win or lose" part of the title. The second part deals with the US Constitution.

7 posted on 11/07/2012 3:48:25 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Longbow1969
Yeah this is what we need, more birther crap.

Actually, it may have been what was needed. The RINOs are the ones who LOST. NOT the "birthers". You just lost an election and you still have the AUDACITY to claim you still know just what we need?

Now that's funny!

8 posted on 11/07/2012 3:51:34 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Safrguns; Perseverando
"America voted for handouts. They don’t give a crap where he was born... and apparently neither does our republican representatives in congress."

That's right, on both accounts.

And, not only that...but Barry told the country he was born with foreign citizenship (British), inherited from his foreign father regardless of where he might have been born.

Most didn't pay attention, and even more don't care.

Yet another example of where and how we are loosing the country and our Constitution.

9 posted on 11/07/2012 3:52:20 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Perseverando

It’s all irrelevant now.

The majority of the voting public had to know his place of birth is in question. They are aware of the economy and foreign affairs being in poor shape.

No one could push this birth thing before, and certainly no one will now. The issue is even deader now than before the election. He got by with it and so much more.

Now comes the EPA full blast, gun rights into the toilet, illegal immigrants becoming full citizens, the list is endless.

Welcome to Greece.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 3:54:32 PM PST by redfreedom
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To: Perseverando

The Hawaii state registrar, Alvin Onaka, has legally confirmed that he cannot verify any of Obama’s claimed birth facts - presumably because the birth certificate they have is not legally valid, since Onaka has verified that the claims on the White House BC image “match” (but are not identical to) the claims on the original record.

In addition he has confirmed that the White House image is NOT a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”.

Without a legally valid record from Hawaii, there are no legally-determined birth facts for Obama saying he was born in Hawaii in 1961 to any US citizen. At BEST his eligibility cannot be legally known, and the chances of him having a non-valid BC if the claims on his Hawaii BC was correct is practically zero.

A legally non-valid BC for Obama explains why the 1960-64 birth index was altered to include names from legally non-valid records. Prior to Obama’s long-form forgery being made public, AP reporter Mark Niesse admitted in a public article that Obama’s name on the birth index list was the only concrete piece of evidence from the HDOH that Obama was born in Hawaii - yet now we know that the index tells us nothing about whether a legally valid Hawaii birth record exists for ANYBODY.

IOW, there is no positive evidence from Hawaii, and now the HDOH has confirmed that they have NO positive evidence of a Hawaii birth for Obama. And Obama posted a forgery to hide that fact.

See http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf to understand how Onaka verified these things.

See http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf to read the letter Attorney Larry Klayman sent to DNC Counsel Bob Bauer warning him that any certification of Obama’s eligibility or candidacy would be perjurious and fraudulent. CC’s of that letter were sent to every member of the DNC Executive Committee, every member of the Committee on Presidential Debates, every state democratic party chair, every state Secretary of State, and every state Attorney General.

See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/birth-index-list-does-not-indicate-legally-valid-record/ for proof that the 1960-64 birth index includes names from legally non-valid birth certificates.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2954935/posts?page=32#32 for a summary of how the letter of verification unfolded.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2954935/posts?page=37#37 for my theory on how Obama’s fraud transpired and why.

See


11 posted on 11/07/2012 3:55:52 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Perseverando

Even if only for posterity sake and for the historical fact to show everyone that Obama is the lying usurping scoundrel that he is would be great.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 3:56:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: OwenKellogg
Last night while I was upstairs checking FR, my wife switched to NHK (Japanese TV) coverage of the election. NHK is reporting that Obama was born in Kenya.

Interesting.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 3:58:05 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: redfreedom; Perseverando
"He got by with it and so much more."

And so much more is an understatement.

He's created a precedent in plain site, that someone born owing allegiance to a foreign power is now eligible to be our Commander in Chief.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 3:59:21 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Perseverando

All said and done...Like Hoppy used to say...looks like they got the drop on us!

Semper Watching!
*****


15 posted on 11/07/2012 3:59:39 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Safrguns

There is clear LEGAL evidence of election fraud in every state in the union.

HI state registrar Alvin Onaka has legally confirmed that they have no legally valid BC for Obama, which means that the Official Certification of Nomination for Obama is known to be fraudulent. DNC Counsel Bob Bauer is known to have suborned perjury when he counseled Villaigarosa and Germond to sign it, since he was informed of Hawaii’s verification 4 days before the DNC Convention even began, and when he submitted that OCON he committed election fraud in every state capital in this country.

For links to documentation see my post right before this one.

At this point it is legally known that every state had election fraud, without which Obama would have ZERO electoral votes. That’s legally as significant as EVERY vote being proven to be fraudulent.

If America doesn’t care and if nobody in the system will do anything about this, then I beg the Lord to finish this country off immediately, as we deserve.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 4:04:45 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Longbow1969
"This garbage is never going to amount to anything." Longbow1969

You ARE correct, it can never amount to anything ... with people like you who wink at the criminality of little barry bastard boy and do not care if the Constitution is enforced or not, and certainly see no value in oaths of office, as you see them as merely charades.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 4:05:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: butterdezillion

Obama is a figure head. The country is being presidented (is that a word?) by the teleprompter writers.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 4:06:55 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (cat dog, cat dog, alone in the world is a little cat dog)
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To: tgusa; Longbow1969; sirchtruth

The Law matters.

Regardless of your opinion regarding the candidates or other citizens who have brought challenges, the challenges were brought pursuant to law. Keep in mind: the document underlying the image posted on the government website whitehouse.gov has never been presented to any election official or court.

It is a PR stunt. Nothing more.

Don’t be such enabling suckers, you RINOs.

How much do we have to let slide? ID, nah no prob. “recess appointments” when not in recess, nothin here. Fast & Furious, ineffectual bleating for well over a year with empty threats of indictments. Benghazi... nothing being done.

We’ve done it the RINO way. You gave us failure upon failure. Dole. McCain. Romney. Boehner is out there today supplicating to Obama.

Enough.

The RINO way does not work. RINOs are the Democrat shock-troops, softening up the population.

The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are those with something to hide.

Crouch and lick the hand that feeds you.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 4:08:21 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Perseverando

oh dear..not this again. please no.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 4:11:16 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Longbow1969

“Yeah this is what we need, more birther crap.”
____________________________________________________

Yes, we do need more of it.
No one is forcing you to read birther threads.
Why don’t you just ignore them and move on.
As for myself, I welcome any and all discussion of Obumbo’s illegality.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 4:13:33 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Ray76

I think it’s pretty clear obama was not born in the United States (at least he has not shown proof that he was). If that be the case, then he is not the President. But no one will pursue it. I, for one, can’t see how they can bypass the Constitution and allow it... but so much has been allowed with this guy that we have come to the conclusion it’s ok. It is not ok if we still have a Constitution and a rule of law. Some of the comments here sound like the dems talking.
Never shy away from the pursuit of truth.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 4:23:11 PM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Perseverando

23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:29:39 PM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Longbow1969

Problem is the Republicans were too afraid to ever talk about this. Once the Bio written by BO himself saying that he was “born in Kenya” , surfaced, they could have at least said something like “what is it Barack, either you were lying then or you are lying now? If you were lying then, then why? Could have damaged BO if they only had the guts. Hell, Republicans quake in their boots at the very thought of Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers. When we have someone that is not afraid of the press, then we can start to recover. Same with NEVER explaining that the economy that BO “inherited” started in 06 when the dems took over-mind boggling how afraid and spineless they are.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 4:30:06 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: butterdezillion
God help us, Larry Klayman.

Liberals' fear of losing a lawsuit to Larry Klayman is somewhere between "being struck on the head by a crashing zeppelin" and "being nibbled to death by dormice".

25 posted on 11/07/2012 4:32:26 PM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Red Steel
  Even if only for posterity sake and for the historical fact

  My thoughts exactly - future generations (post apocalypse?) should know if a US president in the early 21st Century is above the law. There is a penalty for forgery. Does it apply to the president?
26 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:02 PM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: DallasSun

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:07 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: dandiegirl

Since Republican’ts will never get a significant percentage of the black votes or the graveyard votes, what is preventing them from honoring their oath of office and enforcing the laws of this Republic? ... Ridicule from the media, and that same tactic of ridicule is precisely what we are seeing on this thread, so whom do you suppose they ‘caucus with’? They out themselves whent they attack those who want the laws to be enforced and the criminal behavior prosecuted.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 4:34:46 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: dandiegirl
Do you fear Barack Obama?

Canada Free Press

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)

Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)

But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)

Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip

Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)

Who will save freedom?

A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip

Dr. Orly Taitz, Phil Berg and Gary kreep, all of whom have made defending the constitution and the American way of life a personal ambition in the absence of any constitutional leadership.

If the American people fail to get behind these brave few who are seeking peaceful redress, all the peaceful options will evaporate as if they never existed. We will return to a pre-1776 America overnight.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 4:39:27 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: rxsid
Someone born owing allegiance to a foreign power is not eligible to the Presidency.

Violating the law does not abolish the law, violating the Constitution does not amend the Constitution.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 4:40:21 PM PST by Ray76
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To: patriot08

“We will return to a pre-1776 America overnight.”

I hope not. I’d look silly in one of those wigs.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 4:43:08 PM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Ray76

You have been here since February, haven’t had time enough to construct a page about yourself, and expect to be taken seriously? YHGTBSM


32 posted on 11/07/2012 4:52:14 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Perseverando

“48. As the table shows, the probability that the White House document is genuine (in that each of the rregularities identified by the investigators occurred by inadvertence), is the product of the individual probabilities that the mutually independent irregularities were accidental: that is, 1 in 75,000,000,000,000,000”


33 posted on 11/07/2012 4:55:57 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: tgusa

My date of joining FR has no bearing on my knowledge of the issue. By your yardstick the first person to join FR is the most credible... even if they post only once upon joining.

With such posts do you expect to be taken seriously?


34 posted on 11/07/2012 4:58:29 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Longbow1969

RE: Yeah this is what we need, more birther crap.

Geeze, just let it go already. This garbage is never going to amount to anything.


Thanks so much for setting me straight. I’m always the last to get the word. Yes I understand now. The rule of law means nothing! The Constitution means nothing! Truth means nothing!

Apparently the Obots understand us better than we do ourselves.

I think we’re going to make a lot of progress with the 2nd Obama administration. We have some much more in common with them than I ever realized. </sarc>


35 posted on 11/07/2012 5:01:39 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: Perseverando

term limits was the only thing that saved us from Clinton and term limits is the only thing to save us from even more sharia under Obama.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 5:22:40 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Perseverando

MMMM! MMM! MMMM! TAKE! THAT! YOU! SORRY! EXCUSE! FORAHORSE!

Harder. That's it. Get it out of your system.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 5:24:18 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Perseverando; All

IMHO, wish someone would go forward with it. Quite seriously, what’s to lose? If this is a path to saving the Constitution, surely the effort should go forward.

The Congress may be the only ones on earth with that undefinable “standing.” So what if it PO’s folk? Make them prove the case.

But “...the entire Republican Party is asleep at the switch (as usual). It would only take one senator or congressman to raise an objection during the joint session mandated by the Constitution for confirming the election results.”

If no one in the Congress has the stones to issue a challenge, then what is the point of Congress at all?

How about Allen West? If he is a lame duck when this comes around, why not take a swing at it?


38 posted on 11/07/2012 5:27:45 PM PST by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: Ray76
Of course that's right...under normal circumstances when the position hasn't been successfully usurped in plain view with zero consequences. Now, in the future, when someone born with foreign citizenship wants to run and successfully gets elected....any court challenge against them will be a massive uphill battle because they can point to Barry's precedent.

sad thing is so many (R)'s could care less thinking its a non issue.

39 posted on 11/07/2012 5:44:31 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Stay strong.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:29 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Jeff Winston

That’s too funny.

Can you do one of your children standing in front of Obama’s portrait singing “We love you Barack, yes we do...”


41 posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:44 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's the OBOTS who are filling up prisons for violent crimes, not the Tea Party.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

And their fear of you or your vote is even less.

I guess you should just go die then, huh?


42 posted on 11/07/2012 6:21:44 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Perseverando

Wish in one hand, s)(*@ in the other. See which one fills up first.


43 posted on 11/07/2012 8:47:02 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: rxsid

OK then some one start the Arnold the Terminator for president thread. Woo! Woo!


44 posted on 11/08/2012 12:39:41 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: butterdezillion
Larry Klayman is the right wing equivalent of the woman over at DU who was constantly shilling for donations so that she could "prove" Kerry won Ohio in 2004.

He is great at pimping for contributions, but his record at actually winning lawsuits is nil.

45 posted on 11/08/2012 8:21:09 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

And how does any of that negate the request that AZ SOS Bennett made, Onaka’s response that failed to verify any birth fact for Obama, and Hawaii statute’s requirement that every submitted fact that can be verified actually be verified?

All I have ever heard in response to any of this is stuff that has nothing to do with the facts.

Address the facts please.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 8:33:08 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Those issues may indeed be valid. All I'm saying is that I would never contribute a dime to any action by Larry Klayman because of his long history of snake-oil fundraising followed by complete courtroom failure.

Now, you get someone like Landmark Legal, or Institute for Justice involved in this, I'll take it very seriously indeed.

47 posted on 11/08/2012 8:42:20 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: redfreedom

Many people see the possibilities you mention as showing a necessity to continue working to get Obama and his enablers removed from any influence on USA society. I want to be with these folks. Of course I am being influenced by my memories of WWII and how the USA rose out of the dust of a very bad depression to help overcome two of the most despotic governments of history. A lesson for my lifetime.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 10:39:28 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: justrepublican

A voice of reason...ty


49 posted on 11/08/2012 12:06:00 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

So there might be an issue but you’re not concerned unless who you view to be a more effective lawyer takes up the case.

Sounds like you’re batting for the other side buddy.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 4:01:00 PM PST by Ray76
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