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Decision by 2 Officers to Open Fire in Busy Midtown Leaves Bystanders Wounded
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Posted on 08/24/2012 8:25:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
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Look for the lawsuits to fly. Lefties are condemning the cops for firing at the gunman, despite the gunman getting ready to fire at them. They say the cops have no right to defend themselves when there are bystanders around.
To: chessplayer
Oh, lawd, here we go. I noticed at the Bloomie presser that he COMPLETELY took over the microphone. Ray Kelly was looking PISSED!
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:27:39 PM PDT
by
RushIsMyTeddyBear
(Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
To: chessplayer
In a crowd its expected but I’m not sure what else they could have done.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:28:39 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: chessplayer
Two wounded rather then ten dead.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:29:14 PM PDT
by
doc1019
(Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
To: chessplayer
How many rounds did they squeeze into bystanders after the guy was dead? 10 feet seems close enough that that the first couple shots should have already done the job.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:29:48 PM PDT
by
Slump Tester
(What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
To: doc1019
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:31:37 PM PDT
by
Theo
(May Christ be exalted above all.)
To: doc1019
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:31:36 PM PDT
by
Theo
(May Christ be exalted above all.)
To: Slump Tester
CNN has the shooting video. Cops had to do it.
To: TigerClaws
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:35:59 PM PDT
by
RushIsMyTeddyBear
(Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
To: chessplayer
Prayers going up for those officers that the injured heal quickly and the officers can find peace after accidentally hurting bystanders. And thanks to them for standing on the front lines against the sub-human violent snakes in our communities.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:37:16 PM PDT
by
Tamzee
(The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
To: Slump Tester
The police panicked. They were not well trained, or perhaps they were simply psychologically unfit for the job.
I do love the NYT’s sympathetic treatment of the police’s decison to shoot in a crowded street.
Now, if instead of 2 of NY’s finest it had been a “civilian” with concealed carry license who did this shoot, can anyone believe that the tone of the article would have been remotely similar?
Maybe this is evidence that the police should be disarmed - they are too great a threat to those they are supposed to protect.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:37:19 PM PDT
by
achilles2000
("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
To: Slump Tester
Teach them to shoot .45ACP; that will stop a man dead in his tracks. Why use a 9mm when .45ACP is available? Just increases the odds the bad guys lives too long. Of course it pre-supposes the police can shoot to begin with.
To: chessplayer
Wouldn't our troops be court-martialled for shooting back with Afghan civilians around the shooter? I've heard that they are not allowed to shoot if civilians are nearby. Isn't that an Obama ROI?
I am not criticizing the policemen with that statement.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:41:34 PM PDT
by
WilliamofCarmichael
(If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
To: Tamzee
There was a story a while back where a guy accidentally shot his wife in Detroit while killing a home invader. The wife said she forgives the husband.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:42:58 PM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: chessplayer
At a distance of 10 feet, 7 hits out of 16 shots comes to a 44% accuracy rate. 10 FEET! and the other 56% went where? We know that at least nine innocent bystanders were wounded in this shooting. And by coincidence the two heroes missed the killer nine times. I know that the NYPD is one of the most honored in the country, but this is unacceptable. Maybe they should be disarmed.
Live or visit New York City? Not me. It is too dangerous.
I’ll Take my chances down here with the drug smugglers and UDAs.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:44:19 PM PDT
by
Tupelo
(Republicans, ...Are any of them worthy of my vote?)
To: cripplecreek
From linked article:A number of the bystanders may have been wounded by bullet fragments and ricochets after bullets struck nearby flowerpots, Mr. Browne said, suggesting that the bystanders were not in the path of the bullets when the officers fired..... Many of the wounds to bystanders were mostly in the lower extremity areas, such as legs and ankles, which would be consistent with some of the ricochet fragmented ballistics we found, Mr. Browne said.
To: Slump Tester
And you have been in how many gunfights? No amount of training can prepare any police officers for this sort of thing.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:45:23 PM PDT
by
doc1019
(Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
To: VermiciousKnid
Sorry, hon. It sends me to a page with a lot of links.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT
by
RushIsMyTeddyBear
(Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
To: achilles2000
I'm no fan of the NYPD, but from everything I've seen and heard about this situation (it occurred a block away from my company's NYC office) it sounds like the police can't really be faulted for shooting the guy. He had already shot and killed one person and was brandishing the gun when they plugged him, so I don't know what anyone here expected them to do.
When 5-6 people are pointing their guns at a perp, 16 shots can be discharged in mere seconds.
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posted on
08/24/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT
by
Alberta's Child
("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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