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Decision by 2 Officers to Open Fire in Busy Midtown Leaves Bystanders Wounded
New York Times ^

Posted on 08/24/2012 8:25:11 PM PDT by chessplayer

As the two officers confronted a gunman in front of the Empire State Building on a busy Friday morning, they had to make a snap decision: Do they open fire in the middle of Midtown?

From a distance of less than 10 feet, the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.

Investigators believe at least 7 of those 16 bullets struck the gunman, said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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Look for the lawsuits to fly. Lefties are condemning the cops for firing at the gunman, despite the gunman getting ready to fire at them. They say the cops have no right to defend themselves when there are bystanders around.
1 posted on 08/24/2012 8:25:21 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Oh, lawd, here we go. I noticed at the Bloomie presser that he COMPLETELY took over the microphone. Ray Kelly was looking PISSED!


2 posted on 08/24/2012 8:27:39 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: chessplayer

In a crowd its expected but I’m not sure what else they could have done.


3 posted on 08/24/2012 8:28:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: chessplayer

Two wounded rather then ten dead.


4 posted on 08/24/2012 8:29:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: chessplayer

How many rounds did they squeeze into bystanders after the guy was dead? 10 feet seems close enough that that the first couple shots should have already done the job.


5 posted on 08/24/2012 8:29:48 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: doc1019

Two?


6 posted on 08/24/2012 8:31:37 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: doc1019

Two?


7 posted on 08/24/2012 8:31:36 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Slump Tester

CNN has the shooting video. Cops had to do it.


8 posted on 08/24/2012 8:34:33 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Do you have a link?


9 posted on 08/24/2012 8:35:59 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: chessplayer

Prayers going up for those officers that the injured heal quickly and the officers can find peace after accidentally hurting bystanders. And thanks to them for standing on the front lines against the sub-human violent snakes in our communities.


10 posted on 08/24/2012 8:37:16 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Slump Tester

The police panicked. They were not well trained, or perhaps they were simply psychologically unfit for the job.

I do love the NYT’s sympathetic treatment of the police’s decison to shoot in a crowded street.

Now, if instead of 2 of NY’s finest it had been a “civilian” with concealed carry license who did this shoot, can anyone believe that the tone of the article would have been remotely similar?

Maybe this is evidence that the police should be disarmed - they are too great a threat to those they are supposed to protect.


11 posted on 08/24/2012 8:37:19 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Slump Tester

Teach them to shoot .45ACP; that will stop a man dead in his tracks. Why use a 9mm when .45ACP is available? Just increases the odds the bad guys lives too long. Of course it pre-supposes the police can shoot to begin with.


12 posted on 08/24/2012 8:38:55 PM PDT by rustyboots
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To: chessplayer
Wouldn't our troops be court-martialled for shooting back with Afghan civilians around the shooter? I've heard that they are not allowed to shoot if civilians are nearby. Isn't that an Obama ROI?

I am not criticizing the policemen with that statement.

13 posted on 08/24/2012 8:41:34 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

http://www.cnn.com/

Regards,


14 posted on 08/24/2012 8:42:48 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Tamzee

There was a story a while back where a guy accidentally shot his wife in Detroit while killing a home invader. The wife said she forgives the husband.


15 posted on 08/24/2012 8:42:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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At a distance of 10 feet, 7 hits out of 16 shots comes to a 44% accuracy rate. 10 FEET! and the other 56% went where? We know that at least nine innocent bystanders were wounded in this shooting. And by coincidence the two heroes missed the killer nine times. I know that the NYPD is one of the most honored in the country, but this is unacceptable. Maybe they should be disarmed.
Live or visit New York City? Not me. It is too dangerous.
I’ll Take my chances down here with the drug smugglers and UDAs.


16 posted on 08/24/2012 8:44:19 PM PDT by Tupelo (Republicans, ...Are any of them worthy of my vote?)
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From linked article:
A number of the bystanders may have been wounded by bullet fragments and ricochets after bullets struck nearby flowerpots, Mr. Browne said, suggesting that the bystanders were not in the path of the bullets when the officers fired.....

Many of the wounds to bystanders were “mostly in the lower extremity areas, such as legs and ankles, which would be consistent with some of the ricochet fragmented ballistics we found,” Mr. Browne said.

17 posted on 08/24/2012 8:45:12 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: Slump Tester

And you have been in how many gunfights? No amount of training can prepare any police officers for this sort of thing.


18 posted on 08/24/2012 8:45:23 PM PDT by doc1019 (Given my choices, I will not be voting this time around.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

Sorry, hon. It sends me to a page with a lot of links.


19 posted on 08/24/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: achilles2000
I'm no fan of the NYPD, but from everything I've seen and heard about this situation (it occurred a block away from my company's NYC office) it sounds like the police can't really be faulted for shooting the guy. He had already shot and killed one person and was brandishing the gun when they plugged him, so I don't know what anyone here expected them to do.

When 5-6 people are pointing their guns at a perp, 16 shots can be discharged in mere seconds.

20 posted on 08/24/2012 8:45:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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