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Swine flu hits hard, early claims 11 more kids (More detailed than most articles)
Associated Press ^ | Oct 16, 2009 | LAURAN NEERGAARD

Posted on 10/16/2009 6:41:48 PM PDT by decimon

Swine flu is causing unprecedented illness for so early in the fall — including a worrisome count of child deaths — and the government warned Friday that vaccine supplies will be even more scarce than expected through this month.

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KEYWORDS: claims; flu; h1n1; hard; influenza; kids; swineflu; swinefluvaccine; vaccine
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Some of this is poorly written or edited. For instance, "The virus doesn't spread to humans who eat pork." must not mean that eating pork is preventative.
1 posted on 10/16/2009 6:41:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

That’s a picky police point; I wonder if the statistics on the main are misleading.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 6:42:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: decimon

The swine flu is a weak strain of flu. The problem is the body’s reaction to it. People with strong immune systems have more trouble with it because the immune system overreacts. Those with underdeveloped (not weak due to pre-existing conditions) immune systems have been just fine. I would bet that the children who have died are day-care kids. They have been exposed to so much and have great immune systems. The body’s reaction to the flu is almost like an auto-immune disorder.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 6:47:21 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: decimon
About 6 percent of all doctor visits are for flu-like illnesses, levels not normally seen until later in the fall. The CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat (SHU'-kit) says, "These are very sobering statistics."

Global warming (not)

4 posted on 10/16/2009 6:47:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: goodwithagun

If normalized for prevailing temperatures (not just calendar date), I wonder what the toll from ordinary flus would have been.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 6:48:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: decimon
Manufacturer delays mean 28 million to 30 million doses, at most, will be divided around the country by the end of the month, not the 40 million-plus that states had been expecting

If this had been the case under the Bush administration, the MSM would have been calling for his head.

6 posted on 10/16/2009 6:50:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: goodwithagun
The swine flu is a weak strain of flu. The problem is the body’s reaction to it. People with strong immune systems have more trouble with it because the immune system overreacts.

You are spouting utter unscientific nonsense. Immune system overreaction is why the Spanish flu was so deadly.

7 posted on 10/16/2009 6:51:57 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Beware of CDC info. If you look at flu deaths, they are deaths from flu and pneumonia. In other words people had pneumonia, got the flu as a secondary infection, then died. The American Lung Association has the data on how many people die each year from just the flu.

The vaccine does no good to those who are already immuno-compromised. In fact, it could make their conditions worse. As for me and my family, we will have no vaccines and will not take Tamiflu (side effects are frightening).


8 posted on 10/16/2009 6:52:26 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: AndyJackson

Really? What is the real reason then?


9 posted on 10/16/2009 6:54:58 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: kabar
“If this had been the case under the Bush administration, the MSM would have been calling for his head.”

President Bush was on top of the stockpiling of Tamiflu based on fears over the Avian flu and others. Note - if you have H1N1 you need to get on the Tamiflu within 48 hours of the onset of symptoms. If one has the flu now, they almost definitely have H1N1 as the seasonal flu hasn't started yet.

10 posted on 10/16/2009 6:55:07 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: decimon
One of the worlds great athletes gets sick.

LeBron Returns to Practice After Presumed Swine Flu

'Most reports of civilians catching swine flu include a high temperature, scratchy throat, and the worst aches they've ever felt. Jackson admitted that those were the symptoms he had been feeling, spending two days in bed and drinking a gallon of water a day.

"I can't remember ever being that sick," he said.

James said that he felt same symptoms, orchestrated the same routine and believes he has recovered. He said he believes he caught the bug from his teammates at practice, many of whom have been sick, too.'

11 posted on 10/16/2009 6:56:06 PM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: goodwithagun

“The swine flu is a weak strain of flu. The problem is the body’s reaction to it. People with strong immune systems have more trouble with it because the immune system overreacts. Those with underdeveloped (not weak due to pre-existing conditions) immune systems have been just fine. I would bet that the children who have died are day-care kids. They have been exposed to so much and have great immune systems. The body’s reaction to the flu is almost like an auto-immune disorder.”

You obviously know nothing about the immune system, so please stop spreading such nonsense.


12 posted on 10/16/2009 6:57:33 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Perhaps because everyone is freaking out about the slightest symptoms?

Internationally renowned vaccine researcher Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny found that 70-80% of the sniffles, fevers and body aches generally characterized as “the flu” between 1999-2004 were not caused by influenza viruses, but by other organisms not covered by a vaccine.

Dr. S. Tenpenny, Annual Number of flu deaths: it’s a guess, accessed Jan 2008 at http://www.whale.to/a/ten12.html


13 posted on 10/16/2009 6:59:10 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Kirkwood

Your comment suggests you know everything about the immune system. Please enlighten us all. I got my info from this doctor: http://painreleaseclinic.com/

He has been treating me and my family for years.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 7:01:21 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

Take it from a person who is recovering from it - you are wrong.

In terms of strength, it’s not the worst flu I ever had - that was during the winter 94-95 season when I was IN BED IMMOBILE for 8 days straight.

But this is far worse than the common cold or slight allergic reaction - my temp peaked out early this morning(Friday morning) about 2 am at 102.1 degrees.
I’m very familiar with my usual temps and BP, etc, my normal temp at that time of day is 96.8-97.3

SO!!

All usual precautions!
Lots of fluids, I esp recommend reconstituted frozen lemonade (I mix it like 2.5 or 3 to one, when I’m sick, which is rare, it’s more like a food to me than a drink
The old true blue standbye chicken soup Hey, it works, and is soothing on the respiratory track
more fluids

eggs!!!! Eggsactly the kind of protein your body needs to beef up your immune system - if you are all that dang worried about your cholesterol, eat some eggs today, and tomorrow eat have a bale of alfalfa or whatever
saline nasal spray - you don’t get alot of dates when you wake up in the morning with this crusty stuff around your nose...
chloroseptic because you WILL have a sore throat..
cough drops

Vit E
Vit D
Vit C
Vit B6
zinc
magnesium

have some ice cream around all milk dairy products help in clearing out congestion

I like to have some fresh fruit around grapes plums whatever...

a gorgeous redhead is optional but I couldn’t find any on sale at Walgreens...


15 posted on 10/16/2009 7:05:11 PM PDT by djf (Some people are proud. Some people are curious. I'm proud that I'm curious!!)
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To: BGHater

It does seem to be true that people are getting sick early this year.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 7:05:16 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
and the government warned Friday that vaccine supplies will be even more scarce than expected through this month.

In other words, "run out NOW and get-it-while-you-can!" I may end up eating my words, but this sounds like a pitch to get people to stampede the doorways to get the vaccination when they know many people are leery of it and avoiding it.

17 posted on 10/16/2009 7:05:43 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: goodwithagun
On Tuesday we have 18% of our student population out due to illness. (No confirmed cases of H1 to date - although a couple of the kids I know had fevers up to 104)

On Wednesday we went down to 14% and Thursday 13%.

18 posted on 10/16/2009 7:06:34 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: goodwithagun

You state you don’t believe CDC info and then you cite a doctor whose entire article is filled with CDC statistics. You don’t even read the articles you cite! What does that say about you?

Just from reading one post of yours it is obvious you know NOTHING about the immune system, nor are you capable of understanding the basic statistics regarding the incidence or prevalence of H1N1.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 7:08:54 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: goodwithagun
You got your info from a chiropractor?
20 posted on 10/16/2009 7:09:17 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: djf

Good luck. Still doesn’t sound as bad as the four bouts of mastitis I had between Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. Can’t believe I’m thinking about having another one! The good news is that you will be immune for the rest of your life.


21 posted on 10/16/2009 7:09:50 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Kirkwood

Most of his info critisizes the CDC. Again, if you have better info, please post a link. You suggest that you know everything about it.


22 posted on 10/16/2009 7:11:41 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Ditter

He has been successfully treating people for 30 years using homeopathy. I will admit that I was a skeptic at first. My husband suggested it when doctors could not cure my systemic fungal infection. In fact, they originally diagnosed my with post partem depression. Once the docs diagnosed the infection the meds they prescribed not only didn’t work, but severely damaged my liver. Dr. Winer was a last resort. Not only did his treatment suggestions get rid of the infection, but my liver function was fully restored. I have the before and after medical doctor test results to prove it.


23 posted on 10/16/2009 7:14:40 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: decimon

Makes ya wonder why back a few months ago, and with all those BILLIONS spent and declarations of ‘we are prepared’..........what happened to the vaccines?

Oh wait, I forgot the ‘never let a crisis go to waste’ and let em suffer a little longer, bit....


24 posted on 10/16/2009 7:15:22 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: goodwithagun

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny is a woman, not a man.

3 strikes and you’re out.


25 posted on 10/16/2009 7:15:51 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: goodwithagun
Wonder how many are children of illegal aliens, how many have traveled back and forth to Mexico, how many of their relatives have traveled or recently come from South of the Border, for many people in our area are found with such connections. Not in any way at all to pork, ham or "bad acting" but very much to people who do not live with the hygiene that many citizens employ.

One other point that rarely is pointed out -- how many were already sick and/or malnourished already or had other serious health conditions that, combined with H1N1 or any other form of influenza.

26 posted on 10/16/2009 7:15:52 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That’s a picky police point...

True, but I added that because I had to reread a couple of sentences to be sure I knew what was meant.

27 posted on 10/16/2009 7:16:05 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Kirkwood

When did I claim she was a man? I don’t remember.


28 posted on 10/16/2009 7:18:07 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: AndyJackson

Two doctors stated that the swine flu is a mild flu...

Obama has the whine flu.


29 posted on 10/16/2009 7:18:13 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: mware
These figures appear ominous (and perhaps are) but how do they appear in perspective? That is, how many normal Flu deaths have occurred during the same period?
30 posted on 10/16/2009 7:18:40 PM PDT by Don@VB
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To: KJC1
this sounds like a pitch to get people to stampede the doorways to get the vaccination when they know many people are leery of it and avoiding it.

There isn't nearly enough to provide it to everyone who wants it.

31 posted on 10/16/2009 7:19:58 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: goodwithagun

“Most of his info critisizes the CDC.”

You can’t read what you wrote yourself, nor spell.


32 posted on 10/16/2009 7:22:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: djf

Add garlic to your list!


33 posted on 10/16/2009 7:24:34 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Isn't it great....we're heading for a Free Enterpriseless society.....)
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To: Kirkwood

I never claimed that everything the CDC claims is bogus. I question what is going on now because it is a government organization. It is associated with the obama admin. I can’t help but question anything that comes from this administration.

Also, your sentence should read: You can neither read nor spell. Just a tip. Have a wonderful night!


34 posted on 10/16/2009 7:27:08 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodnesswins

You’ll be healthy!!!

Lonely, but healthy!


35 posted on 10/16/2009 7:27:50 PM PDT by djf (Some people are proud. Some people are curious. I'm proud that I'm curious!!)
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To: goodwithagun

Don’t pay attention to the naysayers. What you posted is a very accurate layman’s description of what is happening to H1N1 victims.

” The more cells that are infected, the more
difficult it is for the immune system to eliminate the virus and the more
damage the immune system causes by inflammation during the process. Also,
H1N1 may cause even more cytokines to be produced which also make the
inflammation much more severe. This is called a cytokine storm. Young
adults, as they have a very strong immune system, have a very potent
inflammatory response, seemingly more active than in young children or older
adults. Although it seems illogical, their overactive inflammatory response
may put these individuals at higher risk to serious disease due to the damage
it causes in trying to eliminate the virus infection.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS159180+05-Oct-2009+PRN20091005


36 posted on 10/16/2009 7:30:54 PM PDT by bw17
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To: Kirkwood

It seems that you’re the one who doesn’t understand how the immune system works:

” The more cells that are infected, the more
difficult it is for the immune system to eliminate the virus and the more
damage the immune system causes by inflammation during the process. Also,
H1N1 may cause even more cytokines to be produced which also make the
inflammation much more severe. This is called a cytokine storm. Young
adults, as they have a very strong immune system, have a very potent
inflammatory response, seemingly more active than in young children or older
adults. Although it seems illogical, their overactive inflammatory response
may put these individuals at higher risk to serious disease due to the damage
it causes in trying to eliminate the virus infection.

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS159180+05-Oct-2009+PRN20091005


37 posted on 10/16/2009 7:32:23 PM PDT by bw17
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To: bw17

I keep asking the naysayers to prove it, but they are acting like the MSM. The claim I’m lying, then they have no proof. Thanks for the props, though!


38 posted on 10/16/2009 7:33:12 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: djf

NAH....garlic TABLETS....


39 posted on 10/16/2009 7:37:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Isn't it great....we're heading for a Free Enterpriseless society.....)
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To: goodwithagun

I’m with you. There is no way that I will allow my family to be exposed to this toxic shot.

Funny story, I took my dad to the VA hospital today for some tests and they were pushing every Vet to get the shot. Every one emphatically stated that they wanted nothing to with it. I saw some old grizzled WWII vet state there was no way in hell he was getting another flu shot as the last one he got gave him complications for the next 6 months.


40 posted on 10/16/2009 7:45:19 PM PDT by ccc_jr (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Don@VB
That is, how many normal Flu deaths have occurred during the same period?

The regular flu isn't near as prevalent yet, so we can't really compare.

Average flu deaths are about 36,000. According to my local paper, 90% of those deaths are the elderly.

The article states that "some winters" doctors see child deaths of 40-50. That doesn't sound like an average. Is 40-50 the high range or the low? They don't tell us.

About half of this year's child deaths are teenagers.

41 posted on 10/16/2009 7:46:28 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: ccc_jr

You might be interested in this site. I like it because it is backed by info from CDC, AMA, New England Journal of Medicine, etc.

http://www.arizonaadvancedmedicine.com/articles/flu_season.html


42 posted on 10/16/2009 7:49:12 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ccc_jr

BTW, we can really learn something from men like your father. God bless him for what he did for our country.


43 posted on 10/16/2009 7:49:56 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: decimon

Obama’s(not Bush’s) fault!


44 posted on 10/16/2009 7:50:01 PM PDT by shiva
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To: goodwithagun

Take vitamin D. Just about everyone needs it and a low vitamin D level is linked to many illnesses, including several cancers. If you get the flu try taking elderberry syrup right away, or drink elderberry tea. Elderberries work better than Tamiflu. Tamiflu shortens the flu to about 5 days, elderberry 3 days.


45 posted on 10/16/2009 7:54:08 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: djf

Also try elderberry syrup and or tea. It shortens the flu quicker then Tamiflu.


46 posted on 10/16/2009 7:56:42 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: MsLady

Thanks. Since I started using homeopathy for my systemic fungal infection I feel great. I really think that there are other options instead of just drugs. Don’t get me wrong, meds have their place. For many ailments however, there are natural and safe alternatives.


47 posted on 10/16/2009 7:57:33 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Don@VB

That’s what I was wondering. When they say 43 kids dead that sounds like a lot. It is a lot, but, how many have gotten it and gotten over it with no problems?


48 posted on 10/16/2009 7:59:30 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: bw17

Also try using a Nettie pot. You can flush a lot of the virues out by using one.


49 posted on 10/16/2009 8:02:50 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: goodwithagun

I completely agree. I use natural over drugs anytime I can. I have a great doc who also believes that.


50 posted on 10/16/2009 8:06:44 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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