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Giant Backward Ring Found Around Saturn
CEH ^ | October 7, 2009

Posted on 10/08/2009 9:54:25 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Oct 7, 2009 — Saturn has a newly-discovered ring to add to its decor – the largest of all. It’s so big, it makes Saturn look like a speck in the middle of it. The ring, located at the orbit of the small outer moon Phoebe, is inclined 27 degrees and revolves backwards around Saturn. This was announced today by...

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1 posted on 10/08/2009 9:54:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/08/2009 9:55:42 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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I heard there are rings around Uranus too.


3 posted on 10/08/2009 9:56:39 AM PDT by llevrok (As a matter of fact, yes I DO care if Jimmy cracks corn !)
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s what you might expect if Saturn had been captured by the sun, and fairly recently (thunderbolts.info)...


4 posted on 10/08/2009 9:57:39 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: GodGunsGuts
From the NASA press release,

"Astronomers have long suspected that there is a connection between Saturn's outer moon Phoebe and the dark material on Iapetus," said Hamilton. "This new ring provides convincing evidence of that relationship."

5 posted on 10/08/2009 9:58:31 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: wendy1946

Would you mind expanding on that just a little? I’m not challenging you, I just want to know a little more about what you’re referring to :o)


6 posted on 10/08/2009 10:01:25 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
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This picture shows a slice of Saturn's largest ring, as seen in infrared light by NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. The observatory viewed the ring edge-on from its Earth-trailing orbit around the sun. It detected the infrared light, or heat, form the ring's dusty material.

The ring has a diameter equivalent to 300 Saturns lined up side to side. And it's thick too -- about 20 Saturns could fit into its vertical height. The ring is tilted about 27 degrees from Saturn’s main ring plane.

The Spitzer data were taken by its multiband imaging photometer and show infrared light with a wavelength of 24 microns.

Spitzer image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Univ. of Virginia

7 posted on 10/08/2009 10:05:15 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

My precious!


8 posted on 10/08/2009 10:05:48 AM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; wendy1946

Velikovsky anyone?


9 posted on 10/08/2009 10:08:50 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Can anyone explain how/why the ring rotates backwards? I thought all orbits rotated in the same direction as the object in the middle.. The sun for instance is rotating in the same direction we swing around it. I thought this was because gravity was being “twisted” in that type of circle by the sun’s rotation. How can something move counter to this?


10 posted on 10/08/2009 10:19:45 AM PDT by bdw300
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To: wendy1946

PS Don’t knock yourself out writing a detailed response. I was just curious if your comment referred to any evidence beyond the scope of the article :o)


11 posted on 10/08/2009 10:21:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

According to Algore, the AllWise, the newly discovered ring around Saturn is caused by a buildup of exhaust fumes from SUV’s in the USA. That is why we must pass cap and tax immediately.


12 posted on 10/08/2009 10:23:39 AM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: GodGunsGuts

But what about Uranus? What we really want to know is if there are rings around Uranus.


13 posted on 10/08/2009 10:37:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Will this help or hurt in finding a buyer?


14 posted on 10/08/2009 10:37:59 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Best I can do in a short space is dribs and drabs of a very long story. Ancient literature generally describes three kinds of things which we do not have any experience with in historical times or at least since Alexander, i.e.

Our solar system generally looks like a composite system, i.e. four or five of the planets have spin axes set off around 24 - 27 degrees from the plane of the system while the others have axes normal to the plane as you'd expect if the system were primordial. That's what you'd expect if an older system of some sort had been captured by a younger one.

Genesis mentions God creating two "great lights" to govern day and night. Most assume that means the sun and moon; it all but certainly means Jupiter and Saturn. Plato consistently refers to antediluvians as children or nurselings of Kronos (Saturn) and Ovid and Hesiod both claim that there had been a golden age when Saturn/Kronos had been "king of heaven" followed by the flood and then a silver age when Jupiter/Zeus was "king of heaven", followed by the Trojan war and the present ages. In the same language, the sun is the "king of heaven" now.

If you were to go to Baltimore or some such place and find a group of primitive people and offer them $100 apiece to devise an astral religion straight off the tops of their heads from scratch, they'd invariably end up worshiping the sun and the moon. The two chieftain gods of every one of those ancient astral religions nonetheless were Jupiter and Saturn.

What the ancients believed was that Saturn had once been a small star with its own solar system which we were part of.

15 posted on 10/08/2009 10:45:42 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: GodGunsGuts

The reference to “thunderbolts” points toward the Website found at http://thunderbolts.info/home.htm Near the bottom of that page, you will find a link to the book Thunderbolts of the Gods, by David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill, which explains their Velikovsky-inspired thesis that what we now see as the planetary relationships called “the Solar System” were in a dramatically different configuration in prehistoric times.


16 posted on 10/08/2009 10:46:39 AM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: bdw300

I have no idea why the ring rotates backwards, but I expect Obama to appear on TV and blame it on the Bush administration.


17 posted on 10/08/2009 10:47:14 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: wendy1946
Fascinating stuff. Been to the Thunderbolts site. Most of this is over my head.

Back in the day I read Jaynes' "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" and Sagans' "The Dragons of Eden". Waay over my head. Interesting nevertheless.

18 posted on 10/08/2009 10:59:58 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Jump You F**kers!)
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To: wendy1946

Thanks Wendy, I’ll be sure to give it (and the link just above) some serious thought this evening. All the best—GGG


19 posted on 10/08/2009 11:56:05 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Still Thinking

Still can’t get over Barney Frank’s “what planet are you from” reference...


20 posted on 10/08/2009 11:59:16 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: wendy1946
So God did not, then, create the solar system as we know it, rather it evolved through natural processes?
21 posted on 10/08/2009 1:32:49 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz; GodGunsGuts
So God did not, then, create the solar system as we know it, rather it evolved through natural processes?

A solar system such as ours could evolve; our living world provably could not. Other than that the stuff which Talbott and Thornhill et. al. are talking about is basically religion-neutral, other than for the possibility of viewing some of it as describing the "how" in some of the bible stories. The basic reality is that God does not work outside of the laws of physics; if you want gross violations of mathematical and physical laws, you need to be talking to the evolutionites, they specialize in that.

22 posted on 10/08/2009 2:19:26 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: GodGunsGuts
The moon was most likely formed by a collision with a Mars sized object when the earth was still molten. The cores merged to form the earth's current core and la large amount of the mantle formed the moon. This is why the moon's face is locked toward earth and the earth's axis is tilted , causing the seasons.

This stuff around Saturn was likely caused by a smaller more recent collision.

Uranus had a big collision It's axis is tilted on it's side. It's pole is horizontal, of course if you're on Uranus , our pole is messed up.

Very easy explanation. There is a lot of crap floating around up there.

23 posted on 10/08/2009 2:24:25 PM PDT by Wacka
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24 posted on 10/08/2009 3:19:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 10/08/2009 9:05:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wendy1946

Hi, Ted. Where’s Splifford these days?


26 posted on 10/20/2009 6:33:50 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: GodGunsGuts; wendy1946; Gumlegs
Thanks Wendy, I’ll be sure to give it (and the link just above) some serious thought this evening. All the best—GGG

I hope you didn't spend too much time giving "Wendy's" ideas much thought. As most people here know, "Wendy" is the rather infamous, many-times-banned Ted Holden. He's a harmless loon, often good for some laughs, but even the most ardent creationist will find his views a bit, um, unorthodox to say the least.

This is 14 years old, but it's still good. Yes, the answers that appear to be jokes are Ted's actual beliefs if you poke around the Net long enough. Ol' Ted's been around.
27 posted on 10/20/2009 6:51:04 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke

keep guessing...


28 posted on 10/20/2009 8:11:24 PM PDT by wendy1946
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