Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?

vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

[RadioAstronomer]

LOL! Me too. Whew/ Placemarker

[stuned_beeber]

Wiping tears from eyes.

[Finny]

I will not join a third party and cause a fracture in the Republican Party. (-- KATIE-O)

"The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty." -George Washington (The REAL George W.)

This is what you get when you support the party instead of ideas. (-- Pan Yan)

The "Party" is supposed to BE ideas. It's supposed to be a platform, a framework, a collection of common denominators -- a philosophy! I like the philosophy that Jim outlines in his essay.

My very politically wise and prophetic dad has often told me, "I don't vote for the man, I vote for the Republican." He's never thought much of people who say, "I vote for the man, not the party." His point is that an agreed-upon philosophy, a "party," can be identified and therefore trusted, whereas the philosophy of an individual man is pretty vague and elastic. If you're voting for the man you really don't know what you're voting for. If you're voting for the party, Republican or Democrat, you should know what you're voting for.

It seems like every country I read about where voters split between three or more major parties, there's constant strife and horrible lack of direction; the more parties, the worse the strife. A two-party system is better.

In a way, that's why Jim Robinson is SO RIGHT at the core of his essay, that it's bad to let as left-headed a thinker as Giuliani represent the Republican party. Arnold is a good lesson; then again, California has become dominated by east-coast Liberals (San Francisco always was an East Coast town!). If we want to make the best of the two-party system, which is better than a multiple-party system, we need to beware of the erosion of the Party Platform.

Local elections and PRIMARIES are where Republicans need to do their real work. I was extremely disgusted by the low turnout in the special elections that Arnold held. Republicans let him down by not going in in droves to vote for some of the propositions he had on the ballot that, if passed, would have put begun some serious hairline cracks in the edificies of liberalism in the state and started the process of killing them back. In my opinion, that one can't be blamed on the Liberals.

California is one thing; a presidential administration to the United States of America, with all its impact on every arm of government -- to have a well-intentioned bubblehead who endorses the validity of bogus issues such as global warming environmentlism and normalizing homosexuality, in such a powerful postion for a potential eight years -- all I can say is I hope Republicans are smart enough to use the primaries to ensure that he doesn't get nominated.

*sigh*

For what it's worth, I don't think Hillary will get the nomination and if she does, she'll sink like a stone. We could put anyone up against her and win.

[Crawdad]

Listen, little boy, please go back and read the first post on this thread. Then go back and ready your last 20 posts. If you believe all 21 are related, please continue your school yard neener-neeners. If not, do as I told you to do and buzz off.

[KevinDavis]

Well then he is a RINO....

[Beagle8U]

“Whew, hellava thread. Many casualties.
Reminds me of the Buchanan era”

Well, This seems like the perfect place to put a Buchanan quote on this very subject.

Buchanan said, “I just don’t think Rudy can do it. I may be wrong, but I’m not usually.” He added, “I’m telling you, as Giuliani — if he should get somehow the nomination, as he marches to the podium, the Republican Party explodes right in the convention hall. The Republican base cannot go along with Rudy Giuliani, his views on social and cultural and moral issue, the background, the record. The party would explode, Joe. It would come apart. You would have a third party candidate, and that would kill Rudy in the South.” [”Scarborough Country,” MSNBC, 11/14/06]

[calcowgirl]

Here's a rough outline that might help build a framework:

I. Personal Life
  A. Childhood and Family
  C. Marriage #1
  D. Marriage #2
  E. Marriage #3

II. Education
  A. Pre-College
  B. Manhattan College
  C. NYU Law School
      a. Law Review writings

III. Early Political Interests
  A. Robert F. Kennedy campaign
  B. George McGovern campaign
  C.  

IV.  Military
  A. Student Deferment (2?)
  B. 2-A, civilian occupation deferment

V. Professional Life and Associates
  A. Law clerk for U.S. Dist Court Judge Lloyd F. MacMahon (1968-1970)
  B. Asst U.S. Atty, SDNY, Chief of Narc Unit, Exec Asst U.S. Atty Gen (1973-1975)
  C. Assoc Deputy Atty Gen; Chief of Staff to the Dep Atty Gen Harold Tyler(1975-76)
      a. Corruption prosecution  of Rep. Bertram Podell. 
  D. Law firm of Patterson, Belknap, Webb and Tyler. (1977 to 1981)
  E. Assoc Atty General - criminal div, drug enf and immigration  (1981-1983)
      a. Reagan Amnesty
      b. Haitian asylum-seekers
  F. US Attorney, SDNY (Mar 1983-Jan 1989)
      a. Organized crime prosecutions
      b. Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, et al prosecution
      c. ... 
  G. Law firm of White & Case (Feb 1989)
  H. Campaign for NYC Mayor (May-Nov 1989)
  I. Law firm of Anderson, Kill, Olick and Oshinsky (June 1990-1993)
  J. NYC Mayor (1994-2001)
      a. Financial Management
      b. Operational
      c. ...
  K.Giuliani Partners
      a. Giuliani Capital Advisors LLC
      b. Giuliani-Kerik LLC
      c. Giuliani Security & Safety
  L. Bracewell & Giuliani 
  M. ...

VI. Personal Associates and Relationships
  A. Bernard Kerik
  B. ...
  C. ...

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X. News/Multimedia
  A. Newspapers
  B. Magazines
  C. TV/Video
  D. Audio

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XI. Public Records/FOIA Requests
  A. Military deferments
  B. Confirmation Hearings/Committee reports (for DOJ appts)
  C. City docs? (speeches, press releases, etc)
  D. Corporation filings/business licenses/lobbyist filings
  E. Disclosure of Personal/Fin'l data for federal and city posts

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XII. Record by Subject Matter
  A. 1st Amendment
  B. 2nd Amendment
  C. Other Constitution
  D. Abortion
  E. Immigration
  F. ...
  G. ... 
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XIII. Timeline 

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[gpapa]

Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

[dynachrome]

“Change? Spare change?”
“He’s become one of them!”

[Spiff]

When the struggling Mexican and/or Central American hears and sees friends and relatives 'striking it rich' or enhancing their lives and those of his children by sneaking into the United States, what else would you expect them to do?

When a younger brother sees his older brother 'striking it rich' and associating with 'cool' friends while committing heinous crimes in an urban gang, what else would you expect him to do?

Same thing. Someone sees someone getting rich by committing crimes and they want to come and commit the same crimes. AND YOU'RE DEFENDING IT!!

[Eric Blair 2084]

I knew he paid lip service to the Global Warning hoax. That in and of itself doesn’t mean anything. Many Senators pay it lip service but it’s not an accident that the Senate voted 98-0 against the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty. That’s about as bipartisan as it gets.

[habs4ever]

I’m puzzled why you need to go around flexing your muscles and being abusive to those who pay your bills.C’mon, you depend on the goodwill and charity of others, and a man with any sense of honor would know when to STFU and be thankful to those who enabled his nonsense.You’re the guy sponging off Mom, living in the basement, and in no position to be barking out orders,so why are you bothering everyone with your idiotic opinions?

You are the hired help and belong below stairs.If you were a player, you’d be some big cheese in the CA GOP, but do you write checks to anyone? LOL So cut it out about what you can and cannot do.You are the original anti freeper, so well done!

I also doubt you have the brains to write your gibberish,so say hello to Tommy Hoefling,baby!

[Dog Gone]

There are federally funded abortions for women right now.

Thankfully few, but if they fit the exception rules they qualify.

That isn’t socialism, unless every government expenditure is socialism.

I really think it’s important to use terms that mean something instead of just using them as slurs. We can all badmouth Giuliani enough on his policies without accusing him of something he’s not.

[DCPatriot]

Though disagreeing on most topics, we have co-existed peacefully; but, you know, I have to speak my piece from time to time...:-)

And you do it splendidly! ;^)

[BlessedBeGod]

Oh, you’re toast...

[Bigh4u2]

Buh bye now.

[NinoFan]

Bye, bye.

[oneamericanvoice]

“I’m unaffiliated, so I will not be one of those voters. But I would vote for a trained chimpanzee if it meant keeping Hillary out of the White House.”

“And for what it’s worth, I do not believe Giuliani is a socialist. Say what you will about the guy’s position on social issues, but he has a record of success as NY Mayor that is pretty darned impressive.”

I will vote for the party’s nominee even if it is Rudy, because I don’t want Hillary. Any other vote would be a waste, and move her closer to the White House. There seems to be much that has been mis-stated about Rudy, with pro-choice being one, and socialist being another. His successes in NY are indeed impressive.

[RobFromGa]

This thread is not one of FR’s finer moments in my opinion. I don’t think that we need to be afraid to have an honest debate on any candidate. We should stick to facts and leave the hyperbolic comments to the liberals.

Night of the long knives 2. (or more?)

[rockrr]

And another one bites the dust!