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VIEWS & ANALYSIS. Kosovo: The emerging terror state
Serbianna ^ | 24 April 2006 | M. Bozinovich

Posted on 04/24/2006 3:08:45 PM PDT by Doctor13

"Since 1999, we saw the departure of the last remaining Jewish family out of Kosovo. Why is Washington shy at actually doing something to protect the minorities in Kosovo?

Back in February, we spoke with Julia Gorin, a contributing commentator for the Jewish World Report and Front Page Magazine, about Kosovo and its links with the Islamic terror. The conversation eventually lended a front page cover for the Belgrade independent Weekly Telegraph, abut here we are transmitting it in its original, long format.

Why does the US have an ambiguous position on the Kosovo status: it publicly supports a negotiated solution, while privately numerous individuals involved in those negotiations support independence? What does that mean?

Bush does want a negotiated solution, but he also has to choose his battles carefully these days. In Congress, there are Democrats and Republicans who have been supporting an independent Kosovo, for whatever reasons, since 1999 and they aren't about to admit that they were/are wrong. The rest, including the old Clinton cronies pushing for independence, as well as the State Dept., would like to take the path of least resistance--namely, sweep Clinton's screw-up (Kosovo) under the rug and get it out of our hair. After all, it's a lot safer to screw over the Serbs than to anger the Muslims. So our policy is two-faced.

How much is the question of Kosovo's status the reflection of relations between the US and EU and the American desire to dominate the Balkans?

Despite how it may appear, the United States is not seeking to dominate the Balkans. The corrupt Clinton administration involved us in Kosovo mostly because they didn't want Monica Lewinsky to be the last thing people remembered about his presidency. If anyone lied to get us into a war, it was Clinton who claimed that the Serbs had killed 100,000 Albanians and expelled another million. (The American public is of course culpable for going along with it.) The Bush administration's interests in the Balkans have mostly to do with the war on terror. As for Europe-which usually creates its own problems-Clinton's America defecated in the middle of it and made it Europe's problem to clean up. Now, of course, the situation is so far gone that it's very difficult to straighten out or turn back. On top of that, the Balkans are a mystery to almost every American, including the intelligentsia, who stay away from the subject like a plague. Even conservatives, who support the war on terror and the war in Iraq, have a blind spot and an apathy when it comes to the Balkans, as well as to the fact that a lot of the terrorist attacks in Europe and elsewhere are connected to the Balkans. The lack of commentary, due to the culpable media's blackout on this topic, is largely responsible for the ambivalence you're observing.

Do you think US is supporting the policy of Greater Albania in the Balkans?

Before you can "support" a policy of a Greater Albania, you'd have to first understand that the Albanians' goal is a Greater Albania. But most in the United States don't understand it and they don't care enough to try. The Bush administration's acts of omission--coupled with the Clinton administration's aggressive acts of commission--tacitly support it. Members of the Clinton administration act with intent, knowing they are creating a Greater, Islamic Albania but hoping that voters here don't notice. And they won't.

Since 1999, we saw the departure of the last remaining Jewish family out of Kosovo. Why is Washington shy at actually doing something to protect the minorities in Kosovo?

Washington knows that setting standards for Albanians before independence is unrealistic for this bunch, so if you say to them-as we did to the Palestinians-"You have to first stop the terror, and then we can talk independence," it's the same as saying, "No independence for you." While I believe that's exactly what we should do, the administration can't suddenly reverse course and say, "We are not supporting an independent Kosovo." There would be an uproar in Europe, since they're the ones who would have to deal with angry Albanians in addition to the problem Muslims they already have, and this could also mess up the coalition in Iraq. The administration is being badgered even over obviously legitimate actions it's undertaking-from Iraq to Afghanistan to Lebanon to Iran--so Bush isn't going to overtly say Bosnia and Kosovo are Islamic terror states. We're just going to quietly put the Balkan Islamists on our watchlist. Bush is doing what he can, under the circumstances.

We've woven such a tangled web in the Balkans, the conflict is so misunderstood by most, there is so much inaccurate "common knowledge," that it would take too much political capital to explain and say we got it wrong from the start. It's the media's job to raise awareness, and the media failed--purposely. There are only a few in the media who understand, and they're not powerful or mainstream journalists. Don Feder and I are the closest to the "mainstream", and neither of us has been able to push this issue to the fore. It's just very hard to talk about when it's not on people's radars, and all they've heard from every media source is opposite of what you're telling them.

Even when people hear that there are Kosovo/Bosnia connections to the London and Madrid bombings, no one connects the dots and thinks that maybe what the Serbs were doing in their own backyard was the same thing that we've gone halfway around the globe to do. To be fair, the average thinking American has been suspecting this since 9/11, but his suspicions are not reinforced anywhere in the media or by politicians, because no one dares look back.

Is there a misperception in the Jewish-American community about the true state of affairs in Kosovo and Bosnia? How can this misperception be cleared up?

Yes, unlike our Israeli counterparts, American Jews are as confused as everyone else. What's interesting, and what gives me some hope, is that there are independent documentary filmmakers popping up, doing movies like "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West," and "Islam: What the West Needs to Know." The first one is a product of "Honest Reporting," which counters the international propaganda campaign against Israel, and the second one also has Jews involved. Both of these films touch on the fact that Bosnian Muslims fought for Hitler; the first shows Serbian churches being destroyed by Bosnian Muslims during the war in Bosnia, and the second (which you can read about at www.WhatTheWestNeedsToKnow.com) demonstrates with a map all the regions that have been falling to Islam-including how Greater Albania fits in (it mentions the bridging of Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece and Albania). Also, there is something called "Holocaust Museum Watch", which in at least one press release mentioned the Albanian SS Skanderbeg division and Bosnian Muslim SS Handzar division-and it faults the Holocaust Museum for not documenting or addressing the history of Islamic anti-Semitism.

With my article last year "A Jewish Albatross: The Serbs," I was trying to guilt my fellow American Jews into making some noise about this, before it's too late for Kosovo. I hope to write at least one follow-up article on this theme. I'm afraid that the only way to "clear up" the misperceptions is through a high-profile book. Because the pattern now is that even when it's widely reported that terrorist attacks originated in the Balkans, or that "we were suckers for the KLA", as one Washington Post article was titled (and there have been similar ones more recently), the press makes sure the subject has "no legs", as we say in journalism-meaning, that it won't go anywhere. So it's dropped like a hot potato to ensure that there will be no discussion and the subject never reaches a critical mass. In this way, the subject remains under the radar, and when we do hear anything at all about it, it's only when there is a good opportunity to support the view of Serbs as evil and everyone else in the Balkans as their victims.

Judea and Samaria, also called West Bank, are officially a non-sovereign Israeli territory. Kosovo is Serbian sovereignty. What impact will a decision to grant independence to Kosovo have on Israel?

What's interesting is that when Clinton attacked Belgrade on behalf of Albanians in Kosovo, the Saudi Prince Khaled Bin Sultan, commander of the allied Saudi troops during the first Gulf War, called on the US to do the same against Israel on behalf of Palestinians. Israel had a clear understanding of the situation in the Balkans. In fact, Axis Information and Analysis (www.AxisGlove.com) mentioned in a December 2005 report that Israel secretly supported the Serbs during the Balkan wars (despite outwardly offering humanitarian aid to the Albanians, as they were pressured to do). In April 1999, Ariel Sharon visited the US and "called for an end to the fighting in Kosovo", stating that the KLA was being "supported by Iranian-backed terrorist organizations, and that an independent Kosovo would enable Islamic terrorism to spread throughout Europe." He also saw it as a dangerous precedent for the future possibility of Israel's Arab minority calling for autonomy. Aware of the parallels, Sharon asked American Jews to stop supporting the bombing of Yugoslavia.

As far as what impact a decision to sever Kosovo from Serbia will have on Israel, even though it does set a precedent, the Israeli conflict is old, with its own history, so not much can affect it. But many Islamic separatists who want to cut up other places into chunks are definitely emboldened by what they see in Bosnia and Kosovo.

How come Washington is not hawkish on eliminating al-Qaeda in Bosnia and Kosovo?

Everyone-the EU, U.S., NATO, the UN-is aware of the problem, and the terrorists are being hunted quietly, under the radar, so that the perception of Bosnians as victims remains. Publicly, politically and PR-wise, it's not going to help the current situation to suddenly accuse a country of fabricating a genocide. Especially with all the noise about Srebrenica, it would be almost impossible. How many people know that Srebrenica was not just a UN "Safe Haven"? The media won't tell you that Bosnian Muslims were using it as a base from which to launch attacks against Serbs. And when every Muslim is yelling about Srebrenica, it's hard to declare the "victims" a terrorist state and go all out on Bosnia. In general, with this war on terror, some battles are lower-key than others. But I don't have any inside information on the Bush administration; from what I can tell, however, it seems they are aware, things are being done, but a lot of it seems to be low key or covert.

But the truth of the matter is that the Muslim world has the West by the testicles. No one dares question what happened in Bosnia, for fear of worldwide rioting by Muslims. For the same reason, the Hague has to convict Milosevic regardless of the court's findings.

Nebojsa Malic put it very well in an August article: "Every time the Western powers clash with Muslims, whether at home or in Iraq, Afghanistan or another Muslim country, they crack the whip over Serbia. To show the world that their military interventions and intolerance are not driven by hatred of Islam and Muslims in general, they decide to help the Muslims of the Balkans."

Do you think Kosovo negotiations will precipitate tensions in the region and Albanian terrorism?

If the negotiations do not look to be heading toward the Albanian goal of an independent Kosovo, the Albanians will let the world know of their displeasure. They are committed to an all-out war to achieve their goal of an independent, Islamic Kosovo and they will be assisted by Islamic fighters from all over the globe, as they have been since the 1990's. What the Albanians did to Serbs, NATO and UNMIK in March of 2004 will pale in comparison.

This is why those who know that we screwed up--the State Dept., CIA, the old Clinton cronies still working behind the scenes through NGOs, and all the Congressmen who got Albanian money--are sweating to make sure that the terrorists just get what they want in the Balkans. This way, everything can get swept under the rug, and the American public won't find out the deadliness of that mistake and can continue to act like 1999 never happened. When the fighting does break out, the West will never be able to control it, but it will be interesting to watch how the press scrambles to keep a lid on it or twist the truth of the situation into even more of a pretzel.

Is there a hidden agenda behind the Islamic demand to mischaracterize Srebrenica as an Islamic genocide?

Absolutely. The Bosnians' mischaracterization (with journalists' help) of Srebrenica serves to deflect from the fact that the president of Bosnia during the wars, Alijah Izetbegovic, was a fundamentalist Muslim who had stated that "there can be no peace or coexistence between 'the Islamic Faith' and non-Islamic social and political institutions."

Izetbegovic was also a recruiter for the Nazi SS Handzar division which butchered Serbs and ethnic minorities in Yugoslavia during WWII. After he died in 2003, the ICTY revealed that he was being investigated for war crimes committed during the 1990s. Mischaracterizing Srebrenica also deflects from the Bosnian Muslims' actions during the 1990s wars which, as Balkans historian Carl Savich describes, included propaganda, staged massacres, and killing their own civilians to garner sympathy (e.g. the Markale Marketplace bombings in 1994 and '95).

On a more philosophical and humorous note, Muslims have always been jealous of the attention that Jews have gotten for their suffering (though, contrary to popular mythology, Jews are not thrilled that the Holocaust should be their defining historical event). The Muslims can't stand it that no one ever killed six million of them, when they have so many to spare--an event that would lend credence to their constant crusade promoting themselves as "victims". That's why they get so angry, for example, when Israelis kill only two or three Palestinians in the course of responding to suicide bombings. It's the agonizingly slow pace of this "genocide" that's killing them (which is why they're always padding the numbers of their dead, both in the Middle East and the Balkans). This also accounts for why they engineered the Bosnian "genocide" and the Albanian "genocide". They've since exported this successful strategy to the rest of the world, wherein they go about killing anything that moves, while claiming that Islam is under attack, which then "justifies" more killing.

If you were to change the American policy in the Balkans, what would you do?

The situation in the Balkans is currently so very in favor of the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims that only some major event could even begin to change world opinion on the region, and create an environment in which it is possible to change course. For example, the Palestinians have just blown their disguise completely by electing Hamas. The headlines read, "Hamas Election Victory Shocks World." Well, it didn't shock anyone who had a clear understanding of the region, and that the only Palestinian goal is the elimination of Israel. Hopefully, this major event "shocks" the world into a better understanding of the Palestinians. The Balkan Muslims would have to do something just as, or even more, "shocking" to get the world to start reevaluating the situation. Ultimately, the American policy in the Balkans should be the policy we established in our War on Terror after 9/11: You're either with us or you're with the terrorists. And the Bosnian and Albanian Islamists are not our allies in the War on Terror.

How do you see the outcome of Kosovo's status talks?

The Albanians will go to war if they do not receive an independent Kosovo. Understandably, the Serbs don't want to carve a chunk, especially the birth place of their national identity, out of their country and hand it over to Islamic terrorists. But the overwhelming international pressure is going to force them to do just that. Hopefully, between now and then, someone or something will prevent the official creation of another Islamic terrorist state in Europe.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: antichristian; balkans; blowinsmoke; bosnia; clintonlegacy; clintonsquagmire; handzardivision; hoopielite; ihoppy; islamofascist; jihad; kosovo; pancakeboy; sorosfluffers; truth; truthwillout; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar

1 posted on 04/24/2006 3:08:51 PM PDT by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13

I'm never going to be convinced that we attacked the right side in that conflict.


2 posted on 04/24/2006 3:31:08 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

----yep--more of the legacy of Slick Willie--


3 posted on 04/24/2006 3:35:12 PM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Doctor13
The question is why did we support the Islamic terrorist against the Serbs?
4 posted on 04/24/2006 3:50:08 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: YOUGOTIT
The question is why did we support the Islamic terrorist against the Serbs?

As opposed to: "Why are there people still ignorant enough to fall for this Serbian crap?"

Count the number of troops we've lost in the Balkans then get back to me on that one, m'kay?

5 posted on 04/24/2006 4:02:26 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Doctor13
Why is Washington shy at actually doing something to protect the minorities in Kosovo?

Why is that Washington's responsibility?? Why don't the Kosovans do something about that themselves if this is such a burning issue?
6 posted on 04/24/2006 4:39:19 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Doctor13

Kosovo was the crowning jewel of Wesley Clark the Great, because of it he thought he should've been POTUS a la Dwight Einsenhower.
Wasn't that the war in which the Three Stooges (Clinton, Allbright and Clark)bombed the Chinese embassy?


7 posted on 04/24/2006 5:03:19 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: Hoplite

RE: Count the number of troops we've lost in the Balkans.


Of course, the body count and casualty totals. What else is there? What better yardstick by which to evaluate -- no, excuse me -- what better pedestal, upon which to elevate and uplift the moral compass?

It may not have quite measured up to the immortal triumph of General Lothar Von Trotha, in the glorious victory over the indigenous African tribesmen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_von_Trotha

But for a duplicitous, immoral, neo-colonialist triumph, the Balkan "victory" certainly carries with it much the same olfactory redolence, and splendid bouquet.




8 posted on 04/24/2006 5:08:06 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: MoJoWork_n
What else is there?

When Osama has ordered his followers to attack us wherever they find us?

Nothing but Serbian BS, that's what.

9 posted on 04/24/2006 5:51:44 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: DustyMoment
Why is that Washington's responsibility?? Why don't the Kosovans do something about that themselves if this is such a burning issue?

1. Washington intervened militarily on the side of the Muslims in 1999. Quite willingly, I might add. If Washington saw it fit to intervene on behalf of the Muslims, why not reign them in now and help the Christians?

2. Today's Kosovo is a Muslim-run apartheid hellhole. "Kosovans" do not exist. You have the Albanians (Muslims) on the one hand, and the Serbs & minorities (Christians & Jews) on the other. Muslim terror has gone on uninterrupted since the summer of 1999, culminating in March '04 when scores of churches and monasteries were "spontaneously" burnt to the ground and 1000s of non-Muslims (mostly innocent Serbian civilians) forced to run for their lives.

11 posted on 04/25/2006 5:28:57 AM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Banat
1. Washington intervened militarily on the side of the Muslims in 1999. Quite willingly, I might add. If Washington saw it fit to intervene on behalf of the Muslims, why not reign them in now and help the Christians?

Yes we did, and we promptly turned a royal mess into a bigger royal mess that we can't get out of. Good Question, BTW. We Americans are masters of sending mixed messages and not being able to make up our minds.

2. Today's Kosovo is a Muslim-run apartheid hellhole. "Kosovans" do not exist. You have the Albanians (Muslims) on the one hand, and the Serbs & minorities (Christians & Jews) on the other. Muslim terror has gone on uninterrupted since the summer of 1999, culminating in March '04 when scores of churches and monasteries were "spontaneously" burnt to the ground and 1000s of non-Muslims (mostly innocent Serbian civilians) forced to run for their lives.

Didn't know that. Good points. We screwed up.
12 posted on 04/25/2006 6:41:06 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Doctor13
"Since 1999, we saw the departure of the last remaining Jewish family out of Kosovo. Why is Washington shy at actually doing something to protect the minorities in Kosovo?

Hmmm, prior to 1999, X42i, Mr. Clinton, brokered his special brand of peace for the area, giving a 'safe' space to the 'poor' Muslim 'minority', ignoring other ethnic and religious groups in the area, even as they were attacked by the Muslims. While so many of us screamed 'nooooooo', and fretted that it would become a war zone with aggressions perpetrated by that 'minority', he used his ever-slick words to assuage the fears of the sheeple.

Now flash forward, it's a hotbed for Islamo-terrorists types, driving Christian and Jew from the area (hey? that 'violates' the treaty...) and somehow it'll end up being Bush's fault.

13 posted on 04/25/2006 6:48:26 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: DustyMoment
I don't know if you care to know or not, but the Albanians have been terrorizing the other peoples in Kosovo since the 1870s, while Kosovo was still occupied by the Ottoman Empire (as was Albania, which didn't exist as a state back then; it was set up in 1912). Being Muslim, they enjoyed all the privileges under the Ottomans. Sensing the end of the Ottoman Empire, they turned super-violent, trying to save as much as they could and preserve their advantages over non-Muslims.

Serbia regained Kosovo after 400 years of Turkish/Muslim occupation; the Balkan Wars (1912-1913). Ever since 1913 the Albanians have been accusing Serbia of "stealing their land." In WWI, they were allies of Austria & Germany committing unspeakable atrocities against the Serbs. Then came WWII - they allied with the Nazis and Italian Fascists, again committing countless atrocities against the Serbs.

After WWII, the Communists took over and basically allowed the terror to go on, while legally banning the Serbs from going back to their homes and farms (the refugees as well as those Serbs who joined the fight against the Nazis were forbidden to return to Kosovo under "Resolution 355"). That was not enough, so the Communists gave the Albanians autonomy in 1974. The terror, this time institutionalized, continued. The NY Times published a bunch of articles in the late 70s and 80s documenting Albanian atrocities.

The 90s saw another decade of atrocities, attacks on non-Albanian civilians, terrorist attacks on cops, soldiers, state employees, etc.

That's it in a nutshell.

14 posted on 04/25/2006 11:11:44 AM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Banat

Thanks for putting that together. I know very little about that part of the world and am always interested in learning more history.

What little I do know, apparently, gave me an incorrect impression. I know from some WWII documentaries that some of the Nazi concentration camps had Serbian guards whose brutality, apparently, was legendary. Many of the survivors of Bergen-Belsen(?) never forgot the Serbs who served the Nazis as camp guards.

I know that there has been a great deal of tension between the Serbs and Albanians but, I evidentally fell asleep around the time that Albania disappeared off the map and wasn't aware of what was actually going on.

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to enlighten me.


15 posted on 04/25/2006 11:57:17 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment
"I know from some WWII documentaries that some of the Nazi concentration camps had Serbian guards whose brutality, apparently, was legendary"

You have to be mistaking the Serbs for others. What particular documentaries are you talking about?

Serbs were not guards - Serbs were inmates. Hitler hated the Serbs and bombed (beginning April 1941) and invaded Serbia. Historical fact. The Germans shot and hung Serbs. They executed thousands of Serbian school boys in Kragujevac "The Kragujevac Massacre" because Serb rebels were killing German soldiers. The Germans made a rule to kill 100 Serbs for every German soldier killed.

The Serbs were also put in concentration camps in Croatia - one infamous one called Jasenovac. The Serbs fought the Germans, after Germany invaded Serbia, in both WWI and WWII, while the non-Serbs cooperated with the Germans.

16 posted on 04/25/2006 1:49:51 PM PDT by joan
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To: joan

Sorry, pal, I've seen the documentaries that have specifically identified Serbian guards WITH their ID papers.

There's no mistake.


17 posted on 04/25/2006 1:56:32 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Can you name the documentaries and give the names of these guards then - or where they can be found?


18 posted on 04/25/2006 2:04:05 PM PDT by joan
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To: DustyMoment
Here are photos of Serbs who were killed by Germans in Serbia. Now, where are the links, photos, titles or names in your evidence. If there are IDs, then there'd be names - give us the names so we can be sure they are ethnically Serbs. "Serbian" doesn't necessarily mean Serb, but anyone who was born or is a resident of Serbia, which included some non-Serbs from the area.

Belgrade ’41: Hitler's Invasion of Serbia, 65 Years Later


Pancevo cemetery, April 22-23, 1941: Vojvodina Serbian civilians hanged in the Pancevo cemetery by German occupation troops.


Serbian civilians and insurgents hanged in Pancevo, Vojvodina on June 21-22, 1942 by German occupation forces.

19 posted on 04/25/2006 2:08:28 PM PDT by joan
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To: DustyMoment; DTA
The man in charge of Bergen Belsen and notorious for abuse was a GERMAN named Joseph Kramer and called the "Beast of Belsen".

Please provide the names of the Serb guards you claim were ID'd in documenaries?

20 posted on 04/25/2006 2:28:28 PM PDT by joan
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To: DustyMoment
The Serbs were probably the second most depised people on Hitler's list. The Serbian uprising (coup d'etat, March 27, 1941) delayed Operation Barbarossa (the invasion of the USSR) and caused the Germans to get bogged down and decimated by the Russian winter. His bombing of Belgrade was codenamed Operation Punishment for a reason. In addition, the unrest in the Balkans forced Hitler to send a bunch of divisions to the peninsula - the divisions he needed on the Eastern Front.

Had he had the extra soldiers and the crucial weeks he had to spend on the Balkan problem, the course of history would've been much different.

His hatred of the Serbs, however, goes back to WWI. The Royal Serbian Army humiliated the Cental Powers by pulverizing the invading Austro-Hungarian armies three times in as many months in the early days of the war. The first Allied victory in WWI was actually won by the Serbs (The Battle of Tser).

21 posted on 04/25/2006 5:17:34 PM PDT by Banat (DEO • REGI • PATRIĆ)
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To: Banat
Yes, it was a fine interview/article with Julia Gorin. She helped to highlight the plight of the remaining Jewish families in Kosovo in 1999. They were torched out of their homes en masse by the KLA death squads and with NATO officers watching.

The Saudis have been pouring money into Kosovo, recruiting the young and the terminally dim-witted to their cause.

It's funny, but every single minority strongly supported the Serbs in Kosovo: the Turks, the Rom, many of the Roman Catholic ethnic Albanians, the so called loyalists.
The Circassians, in a couple of villages, were extremely pro Serbian, were armed by the Belgrade authorities to fight the KLA, and were the first minority group to be ethnically cleansed: in 1998.

Under Serb rule their culture was respected: they could be educated in their own language, etc.

And now they've all gone.

Don't worry about Hoplite, his definition of evidence is Islamist military intelligence agents who were trained by Tehran.

'nuff said.
22 posted on 04/25/2006 8:18:24 PM PDT by infidel_and_proud
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To: infidel_and_proud
A fine article/interview with Napoleoni, about the Balkans, Islamist terror and the drug trade.

http://antiwar.com/deliso/

http://www.balkanalysis.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=657

Scary Movie Part V
23 posted on 04/25/2006 8:46:06 PM PDT by infidel_and_proud
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To: DustyMoment

D.M.

Sorry for the late response to this, but I think you may have confused "Serbs", with "Ukranians", in your late-night-TV documentary viewing. There were NO Serbs among the many nationalities who faught in the Waffen SS.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS

But there were quite a few Ukranians serving as camp guards. Most notable among them, a former American Steelworker, John Demjanjuk, whom Justice Dept. investigators identified as a former camp guard named "Ivan the Terrible". His trials -- in the U.S., and in Israel -- took over a decade, I think, and were sometimes front page stuff.

But he, like the other guys, were all Ukranians, not Serbs


24 posted on 04/26/2006 7:50:01 AM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: Doctor13
Already posted here
25 posted on 04/26/2006 8:57:18 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: MoJoWork_n
Sorry for the late response to this, but I think you may have confused "Serbs", with "Ukranians", in your late-night-TV documentary viewing.

You know, I think you're right!! That makes a lot more sense.

And, don't apologize for coming late to the party, in this case the info is VERY valuable and I appreciate you helping me correct an error on my part.
26 posted on 04/26/2006 8:58:42 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Hoplite; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; ...
The question is why did we support the Islamic terrorist against the Serbs?

I just know that pancake boy hates seeing the truth about the murderous Muhammedans come to light!

27 posted on 04/26/2006 12:44:23 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite
When Osama has ordered his followers to attack us wherever they find us?

The cowardly KLA know that they only reason they live is because of the UN's misguided attempts to protect them.

Fortunately, the KLA criminals are just so stupid that they have started to run into trouble with the UN forces and will probably start killing some in time.

Then the UN pulls out, and the Serb Army returns to Kosovo-Metohija and restores both Peace and Justice to that beleaguered province.

28 posted on 04/26/2006 12:50:42 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite; MoJoWork_n
When Osama has ordered his followers to attack us wherever they find us?

Nothing but Serbian BS, that's what.

The phenomenon of "Wahhabism" has assumed wide and alarming proportions in all Albanian lands and in the Albanian diaspora in the West.

29 posted on 04/26/2006 3:07:55 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: F-117A

To be honest, I can't be sure that "Wahhabism" has had much of an influence either way. Big piles of money have been spent on assorted construction projects, but has it really made those folks any more intolerant, arrogant and paranoid than they were before?

Who could tell, one way or the other?

(It's like wondering if the influence of the Catholic church has been growing on Tony Soprano, because Carmella and some of the other wives have Pollo Vesuvio with the priest, at Artie's Place, once a week?)

Which won't stop the surly and ill-tempered "Hoplite" from continuing to mutter darkly to himself, in a corner, about Serbian guilt, treachery, and treacherous guiltiness...


30 posted on 04/26/2006 3:30:28 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know)
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To: MoJoWork_n; F-117A

Speaking of you-know-who, would anyone know where I could obtain a picture of a jihadist with a pancake on its head?


31 posted on 04/26/2006 4:11:09 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: F-117A
The phenomenon of "Wahhabism" has assumed wide and alarming proportions in all Albanian lands and in the Albanian diaspora in the West.

Uh-huh. Hence all those attacks on American troops and interests in Albanian areas.

You can fool yourself all you want - have fun with it.

32 posted on 04/26/2006 4:19:58 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite; F-117A

The cowardly KLA know that they only reason they live is because of the UN's misguided attempts to protect them.

Fortunately, the KLA criminals are just so stupid that they have started to run into trouble with the UN forces and will probably start killing some in time.

Then the UN pulls out, and the Serb Army returns to Kosovo-Metohija and restores both Peace and Justice to that beleaguered province.


33 posted on 04/26/2006 4:27:05 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite
Haha!! What's the matter hoppie??? Looks like your heroes are not looking so good!!! Islamics NEVER look AND they are never any GOOD, EVER!!

Maybe the Tamil tigers need a booster on FR??? They like pancakes too!!

LOL~~ LOL!!!!

And by the way, pup... I STILL HAVE ALL MY OWN TEETH!

So, go GUM yourself!

34 posted on 04/26/2006 4:32:36 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: DustyMoment; joan
>>>>>>>I know from some WWII documentaries that some of the Nazi concentration camps had Serbian guards whose brutality, apparently, was legendary"<<<<<<

In Third reich, Concentration camps were guarded by special SS units. The most of them were Germans, but there were many Ukrainians, Lithuanians and others.

Hitler's Balkan Waffen SS units were Croats, Muslims and Albanians. They were guarding the transports towards the death camps.

There were no Serbs in SS. What you claim is not supprted by the hard historical facts.

I have no idea what kind of WWII documentaries you have seen. I have seen Martians on TV landing close to The White House (Cross my heart, it was on Sci-Fi channel)

35 posted on 04/26/2006 5:25:12 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Hoplite; MoJoWork_n; FormerLib; Lion in Winter
The phenomenon of "Wahhabism" has assumed wide and alarming proportions in all Albanian lands and in the Albanian diaspora in the West.

Uh-huh. Hence all those attacks on American troops and interests in Albanian areas.

You can fool yourself all you want - have fun with it.

I guess Islamic theologian Zekeria Idrizi has fooled himself too!

36 posted on 04/26/2006 6:13:17 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: DTA; DustyMoment

In all fairness, DustyMoment recognized his mistake and stated so in post #26.

I have to give him a lot more credit for admitting a mistake than is typical on most threads.


37 posted on 04/26/2006 8:01:54 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: F-117A
it is not by accident that the "Wahhabi" phenomenon emerged at such a sensitive time for our national cause when we were in danger of being biologically exterminated. It was quite typical that the political-military establishment of the Slav-Orthodox Serbs would allow this despicable phenomenon to spread in our ethnic lands because "Wahhabism" did the dirty work for Pan-Slavism by sowing division among Albanians over religious nonsense coming from Bin-L! adin types and by portraying Albanians as "Islamic fundamentalists" in the eyes of the international community.

Just goes to show - if anything is jacked out of shape, it's a Serb's fault.

Or perhaps you'd care to reconsider how much credence you're going to give this article?

38 posted on 04/26/2006 8:04:53 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
hoppie's islamic heroes....he defends them all.... All muslims of any stripe are his HEROES!! LOL!!

Hey, hoppie, what flavor pancake is ON YOUR HEAD.... humus???

39 posted on 04/26/2006 8:18:22 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (Violent islam is the same as plain islam. No peace at all.... Just mass mayhem.)
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To: Hoplite
So you still believe that islamist eavesdroppers who were trained by Iranian VEVAK are truthful?

Pooooooooooor hoplite. Simple to the end.

Were you born simple or was it manufactured in the "self hating westerner" version.

But you're full of crap so you heap it onto the Serbs. You hate yourself but lack the bollocks, so, manufacture an evil.

GET SELF HELP, YOU WESTERN SELF HATER.

P.S. I'm still waiting for why you think are Islamists who were trained by Iranian VEVAK are EVIDENCE.

EVIDENCE?

To me and anyone else it smells of Muhammad's loincloth.

i.e. Full of crap. But to sweet islamist wannabe hoppy, it smells of paradise.

You're pathetic.
40 posted on 04/27/2006 1:16:03 AM PDT by infidel_and_proud
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To: DustyMoment; FormerLib


I apologize, I did not see your post #26.


41 posted on 04/27/2006 4:22:26 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
I apologize, I did not see your post #26.

No apologies necessary. My original post upset a lot of people because I confused some facts. Fortunately for us all, MoJo was able to help me discover my error. We're all human; no big deal.
42 posted on 04/27/2006 4:40:56 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment
Uh, no, show us the documentation and proof. Philip Cohen's revisionosim doesn't count.

Sorry Dusty, your knowledge of Balkan history is extremely poor.

43 posted on 04/27/2006 10:45:34 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: DustyMoment

Just saw that post, ignore my post above bro.


44 posted on 04/27/2006 10:47:25 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: citizencon

Yes it was. And some military "spokesman" came up with the lame excuse that the mistake occured because they were using an out-of-date map!!! I guess the Pentagon failed to issue new Thomas Guides of Belgrade before the bombing. /sarcmode=off


45 posted on 04/27/2006 5:35:22 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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