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London - Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals...
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Posted on 01/16/2005 12:47:07 PM PST by IGBT

London - Red hair may be the genetic legacy of Neanderthals, according to a new study by British scientists.

Researchers at the John Radcliffe Institute of Molecular Medicine in Oxford were quoted by The Times as saying the so-called "ginger gene" which gives people red hair, fair skin and freckles could be up to 100 000 years old.

They claim that their discovery points to the gene having originated in Neanderthal man who lived in Europe for 200 000 years before Homo sapien settlers, the ancestors of modern man, arrived from Africa about 40 000 years ago.

Rosalind Harding, the research team leader, told The Times: "The gene is certainly older than 50 000 years and it could be as old as 100 000 years.

"An explanation is that it comes from Neanderthals." It is estimated that at least 10 percent of Scots have red hair and a further 40 percent carry the gene responsible, which could account for their once fearsome reputation as fighters.

Neanderthals have been characterised as migrant hunters and violent cannibals who probably ate most of their meat raw. They were taller and stockier than Homo sapiens, but with shorter limbs, bigger faces and noses, receding chins and low foreheads.

The two species overlapped for a period of time and the Oxford research appears to suggests that they must have successfully interbred for the "ginger gene" to survive. Neanderthals became extinct about 28 000 years ago, the last dying out in southern Spain and southwest France. - Sapa-DPA


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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
Yep. I hear ya. But the one that lassoed me is worth every bit of it and then some. Life with her has been and is anything but dull. Ya....hoooooo, that's livin.
221 posted on 01/16/2005 11:00:49 PM PST by fella
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To: Lazamataz; IGBT; Squantos; Petruchio

I knew I was part Scots, Nordic, etc. but now I guess I'm part Neanderthal, too ;-).


222 posted on 01/16/2005 11:06:12 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace (Michael <a href = "http://www.michaelmoore.com/" title="Miserable Failure">"Miserable Failure"</a>)
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To: Lady Jag
Passion is attributed to Redheads.

While it is true that Redheads are volatile ( like me), I am convinced it is the result of relentless teasing.

I heard all of them. It makes you a little defensive.

I am the soul of decorum. Slow to anger and steadfast.
223 posted on 01/16/2005 11:08:49 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (pun my typo if you dare.)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

You lacked the fine hand required to handle a redhead.

Redheads are intense.


224 posted on 01/16/2005 11:11:02 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (pun my typo if you dare.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I remember being teased about Laugh-In's Farkle Family when I was a kid.


225 posted on 01/16/2005 11:15:12 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: fella

You are a fortunate man. You just don't know it yet.


226 posted on 01/16/2005 11:27:18 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (pun my typo if you dare.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I can't tell you how many times a day I give thanks to the Lord for allowing me to be hitched to her. And can she cook, she can take nothing and turn it into the best stuff ever.


227 posted on 01/16/2005 11:35:15 PM PST by fella
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To: beaver fever

Oooops! Sorry, you are correct.


228 posted on 01/16/2005 11:46:00 PM PST by It's me
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To: TASMANIANRED
You lacked the fine hand required to handle a redhead.

It is an art.

Redheads are intense.

That word has been used to describe me :-D

229 posted on 01/16/2005 11:50:16 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: ValerieUSA

There’s no way we’re from Africa!
Neanderthals didn’t die off. We are still here!
There is no way people are going to tell me that Equatorial people who live in the heat. And can’t take the cold. Are going to come up were they freeze there butts off.
Us Redheaded Neanderthal Vikings got all over! There were even American Indians tribes with Red hair.

Best picture yet!


230 posted on 01/16/2005 11:59:38 PM PST by quietolong
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To: TheLionessRN

Dan Quayle.


231 posted on 01/17/2005 12:10:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: ValerieUSA

FWIW, my ex is O+


232 posted on 01/17/2005 12:12:06 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: TheLionessRN

Eric the Red?


233 posted on 01/17/2005 12:13:06 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Alexander was fair haired so was his father Philip of Macedonia. Macedonians are also thought to be northern emegres racially distinct from Mediteranean Greeks.


234 posted on 01/17/2005 12:57:45 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: ValerieUSA

regardless of blood type... red hair = perfection!


235 posted on 01/17/2005 2:52:48 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod ( I'm going to open Cobra Kai dojos all over this valley!)
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To: Lady Jag
I've been meaning to talk to you about all those boats. How far do you plan to go with this?

I'm planning to build one or more, full scale, in the future.

236 posted on 01/17/2005 5:28:37 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Have sliderule, will calculate.)
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To: Charlespg; avitot

Most likely the problems encountered in the breeding were the 700 pound women with four breasts.


237 posted on 01/17/2005 5:31:59 AM PST by muawiyah (Egypt didn't invent civilization time)
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To: quietolong
There is no way people are going to tell me that Equatorial people who live in the heat. And can’t take the cold. Are going to come up were they freeze there butts off.

Vanessa Collingridge: Movie


238 posted on 01/17/2005 5:55:52 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Major_Risktaker
Nice Hair...


239 posted on 01/17/2005 6:07:16 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: beaver fever
The influence of shipwrecked Spanish sailors from the Armada on the Irish population is minimal, for several reasons. First, most of the survivors that landed in Ireland were captured by pro-English forces or bandits. Many of the Spanish sailors were Galicians, who do not fit the swarthy stereotype of Spaniards. Many Galicians resemble the fairer Irish, as that part of Spain was originally Celtic speaking. Indeed, Galicians were among the Celts who settled in Ireland circa 500 BC. Third, the absence of Spanish surnames in Ireland would indicate, in a patrilinear society, that the Armada survivors represent any significant proportion of the Irish population. Contrast this with the relatively high frequency of Norman French and English surnames, reflective of the pre-Reformation Anglo-Norman invasions.

The presence of Mediterranean looking Irishmen and the genetic similarity of many Irish to the Basques represent settlement patterns that well predate the defeated Armada and even the birth of Christ. Ireland had inhabitants prior to the arrival of the Celts, who may have been akin to the Basques. Additionally, trade routes from the eastern Mediterranean extended into the British Isles, and Ireland was never out of touch with sailors, traders, and merchants from that area. These influences are more plausible explanations for the "Black Irish" than are Armada survivors.

240 posted on 01/17/2005 6:20:41 AM PST by Wallace T.
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