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Group Discovers John the Baptist Cave
AP | 8/16/04 | AP

Posted on 08/16/2004 9:09:34 AM PDT by technomage

AP: Group Discovers John the Baptist Cave
KIBBUTZ TZUBA, Israel (AP)
KARIN LAUB

Archaeologists said Monday they have found a cave where they believe John the Baptist anointed many of his disciples - a huge cistern with 28 steps leading to an underground pool of water.

During an exclusive tour of the cave by The Associated Press, archaeologists presented wall carvings they said tell the story of the fiery New Testament preacher, as well as a stone they believe was used for ceremonial foot washing.

They also pulled about 250,000 pottery shards from the cave, the apparent remnants of small water jugs used in baptismal ritual.

"John the Baptist, who was just a figure from the Gospels, now comes to life," said British archaeologist Shimon Gibson, who supervised the dig outside Jerusalem.

However, others said there was no proof that John the Baptist ever set foot in the cave, about 2 1/2 miles from Ein Kerem, the preacher's hometown and now part of Jerusalem.

"Unfortunately, we didn't find any inscriptions," said James Tabor, a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

Tabor and his students have participated in the excavations.

Both Tabor and Gibson said it was very likely that the wall carvings, including one showing a man with a staff and wearing animal skin, told the story of John the Baptist. The carvings stem from the Byzantine period and apparently were made by monks in the fourth or fifth century.

Gibson said he believed the monks commemorated John at a site linked to him by local tradition.

Gibson said the carvings, the foot washing stone and other finds, taken together with the proximity of John's hometown, constituted strong circumstantial evidence that the cave was used by John.

John, a contemporary of Jesus who also preached a message of redemption, is one of the most important figures in Christianity. The discovery, if confirmed, would be among the most significant breakthroughs for biblical scholars in memory.

The cave is on the property of Kibbutz Tzuba, an Israeli communal farm just outside Jerusalem. A member of the kibbutz, Reuven Kalifon, knew of the cave's existence - the community's nectarine orchards run right up to the mouth of the cave - but it was filled with soil almost to the ceiling.

In 1999, Kalifon asked Gibson to inspect the cave more closely.

The archaeologist, who has excavated in the Holy Land for three decades, crawled through the small opening and began removing boulders near the wall of the cave. When he pushed aside one of the stones, he saw a head carved into the wall - the top of the figure he believes depicts John.

Gibson, who heads the Jerusalem Archaeological Field Unit, a private research group, organized an excavation. During the five-year project, he wrote a book, entitled "The Cave of John the Baptist," to be published later this week.

Gibson said the cave - 24 yards long, around four yards wide and four yards deep - was carved in the Iron Age, somewhere between 800 and 500 B.C., by the Israelites who apparently used it as an immersion pool.

"It apparently was adopted by John the Baptist, who wanted a place where he could bring people to undergo their rituals, pertaining to his ideas of baptism," Gibson said.

Believers would have walked down 28 stone steps. To their right, they would have discarded their clothes in a niche carved into the wall.

At the bottom of the steps, they would have placed the right foot onto a stone with an imprint of a foot. A small depression to the right of the imprint would have contained oil, to be poured over the foot for cleansing, Gibson said.


TOPICS: Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 08/16/2004 9:09:35 AM PDT by technomage
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To: technomage

Perhaps it was a private bath...


2 posted on 08/16/2004 9:12:07 AM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: technomage

Did they find any discarded candy wrappers?


3 posted on 08/16/2004 9:16:09 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (This tagline was censored by freerepublic.com!)
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To: technomage

ooooo, i wonder if john kerry is related to john the baptist...


4 posted on 08/16/2004 9:18:15 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: coconutt2000
Scripture says nothing about John baptizing in a cave nor that there was any footwashing/annointing before nor after a baptism.

Perhaps this is a forerunner of the catacombs.

That makes more sense, alongside the scriptures.

5 posted on 08/16/2004 9:19:10 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: technomage
Interesting, but the empty cave/tomb that has yet to be adequately explained is the empty tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. Only explanation that works and makes sense is physical bodily resurrection.

The Shroud of Turin, this cave, etc., are intriguing but the focal point and attention needs to be on Jesus, His death and resurrection.

6 posted on 08/16/2004 9:19:13 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: technomage

""Unfortunately, we didn't find any inscriptions," said James Tabor,"

Unfortunate, indeed. Since bathing rituals were part of Old Testament Jewish life, especially for women, this seems rather suspicious to me. Somehow, I suspect there are many such sites.


7 posted on 08/16/2004 9:19:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: technomage
"the Israelites who apparently used it as an immersion pool"

John hijacked a Mikva?

8 posted on 08/16/2004 9:20:43 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Truth : Liberal as Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: technomage
My friend in high school had a mother who was a drunk, with a boyfriend who was a drunk.

One day, we were all hanging out at his house, drinking beer and watching football. Well, unexpectedly, Uncle Drunk (that’s what we called the boyfriend) came home and started yelling at us for our underaged drinking.

He pointed to my friend Kenny and slurred, “What’s your name?”

“John,” said Kenny.

“John who?”

“John The Baptist.”

“Well, how would you like it if I called your mother, John The Baptist?”

This little story has nothing to do with anything, but I laugh every time I hear the name “John the Baptist.”

9 posted on 08/16/2004 9:21:31 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: technomage

Perhaps they can find Osama!


10 posted on 08/16/2004 9:23:37 AM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: technomage; Constitution Day
"Unfortunately, we didn't find any inscriptions," said James Tabor, a religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

HA! TAKE THAT CHAPEL HILL!

UNCC REPRESENT!

Charlotte connection, John the Baptist (my patron/name saint) -- this is totally the article for me!

11 posted on 08/16/2004 9:30:06 AM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: dead

LOL! That reminds me of when my boyfriend in high school told his dad that he burned his neck while working on the muffler of his '56 Chevy. His dad started calling me "muffler"...


12 posted on 08/16/2004 9:31:56 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: JohnnyZ

Interesting article, thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 08/16/2004 9:33:19 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: SunkenCiv

For the GGG list...


14 posted on 08/16/2004 9:33:42 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: technomage

The Baptist cave Found under Wayne manor.


15 posted on 08/16/2004 9:37:38 AM PDT by longfellow (You're either with US or from Hollywood! Ultimateamerican.com)
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To: JohnnyZ
The discovery, if confirmed, would be among the most significant breakthroughs for biblical scholars in memory.

Confirmed HOW? Apparition?

16 posted on 08/16/2004 9:38:02 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The fearsome, FReepin' , frumpish, fundamentalist frau ...)
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To: technomage
oil, to be poured over the foot for cleansing

Got enough trouble keeping the flip-flops on, no oil today, thanks anyway.

17 posted on 08/16/2004 9:38:39 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: technomage

I didn't know there were caves in the Jordan River...


18 posted on 08/16/2004 9:39:24 AM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: Tax-chick

I think they're looking to find a tablet signed by John the Baptist that says "...and by the way, that whole leaping in the womb story is true, too."


19 posted on 08/16/2004 9:40:26 AM PDT by JohnnyZ
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To: Bosco
The Garden Tomb has already been found, of course there are two of them...one that is traditionaly known as "the Tomb" so called named by the Catholic church, the other is a more likely tomb near Galgotha, which is more probable.

The Shroud is a fake, though it is a marvel, if it were Jesus's burial cloth, why wasn't an image revealed when Peter touched the cloth? Jesus didn't leave anything behind because he knew human nature. Man would worship articles instead of Him.

20 posted on 08/16/2004 9:40:31 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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