Posted on 08/16/2004 9:09:34 AM PDT by technomage
Another tourist trap for Christians visiting Israel. Still, the cave would be most interesting to see.
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"... and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, 'OUCH! That hurts! Stop it! Mary, will you go away so he'll stop jumping on my bladder?!' "
(Obviously the "official" version was written by someone who'd never been six months pregnant.)
Follow the money. Soon there will be "relics" on the market that will be snapped up by a lot of DemocRAT useful idiots. Hahahahaha
You haven't a shred of evidence for that assertion.
though it is a marvel
It certainly is.
if it were Jesus's burial cloth, why wasn't an image revealed when Peter touched the cloth?
The Scripture does not say that Peter touched the cloth. It says that he beheld it. The context of the passage implies that he went inside and saw a small heap of cloth rather than the body he feared to see.
Jesus didn't leave anything behind because he knew human nature. Man would worship articles instead of Him.
No one worships the Shroud of Turin. You seem to be operating on a number of unspoken assumptions and prejudices.
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I see, as well as you...
Nah. Just some mummified, honey-coated grasshoppers.
Not really.
Perhaps you could produce for us a person who considers the Shroud of Turin to be a deity deserving of worship.
Though I am not saying it isn't possible, I am saying it is unlikely.
Also, If you 'bow' to anything it is worshipping that item.
The people of the Catholic faith worship artifacts that are deemed holy. Shadows and mold are worshipped if they resemble anything "holy".
When the shroud is opened to the public, do not some people, kneel and pray to that shroud?
That is worshipping...
>>Jesus didn't leave anything behind because he knew human nature. Man would worship articles instead of Him.<<
No-one worships the shroud, even though many people believe it is real.
>>if it were Jesus's burial cloth, why wasn't an image revealed when Peter touched the cloth?<<
Could you explain what you mean?
Not a chance. But I could see Kerry calling for the head of the Baptist just as Herod did.
LOL! That reminds me of when my boyfriend in high school told his dad that he burned his neck while working on the muffler of his '56 Chevy. His dad started calling me "muffler"...
LOL if a person had a hickey on their neck, we called it
a muffler burn.
There were Thousands that worshipped a staff with a serpant on it in the wilderness (Moses;Exodus)...
Thousands that worshipped a golden calf...
Millions worship a gravesite (Mecca)
Don't tell me there isn't ONE person that would worship the shroud.
The Shroud, had it been Jesus's Shroud, Peter would have noticed something with the burial clothes in the tomb.
Secondly, It wouldn't be out of character for the Roman Catholic Church to devise material to make converts.
I have been to Rome, I have seen the artifacts, not the shroud, but "Paul's Chains", the "Stairs leading to Pilots Court", The pieces of Christs Cross, Thomas's Finger (bone), etc...
"At the bottom of the steps, they would have placed the right foot onto a stone with an imprint of a foot. A small depression to the right of the imprint would have contained oil, to be poured over the foot for cleansing, Gibson said."
The foot-washing ritual has been accepted as a symbol of service to others, and of hunility. In addition, consider that ancient-world households would receive invited guests with refreshment, including a washing of the visitor's feet. Maybe the householder would actually do the washing, or perhaps a servant would be assigned that task.
Taken in this light, the foot-washing and annointing would be symbolic of a gracious welcome into the Kingdom of God.
Consider, too, that John said that he was not worthy to unstrap Jesus' sandals, much less wash his feet.
I see. So when a ballroom dancer bows to his dancing partner, he is acknowledging his dancing partner as a deity.
Good to know.
Interesting religion, ballroom dancing.
BTW, in Catholicism, there isn't much bowing. At a few points in the Mass the priest and the deacon bow to one another. However, the priest and deacon do not, at that moment, think that they are deities engaging in an act of mutual self-worship.
Is it your opinion that the prophet Nathan worshipped King David as a deity? After all, he did bow before him.
The people of the Catholic faith worship artifacts that are deemed holy.
In point of fact, their Catechism forbids them from engaging in such activity.
You seem to be confused - showing respect for things that belong to God is not identical to adoring those things as God.
Here's a tip - when people go to their parents' graves and put flowers on them, they are neither making an idolatrous "offering" or "sacrifice" of flowers nor are they worshipping their parents as deities.
**Scripture says nothing about John baptizing in a cave nor that there was any footwashing/annointing before nor after a baptism.**
In Catholic Baptism there is an annointing after the Baptism.
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